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Old 08-28-2013, 07:16 PM   #80701
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Both Google Maps and my GPS (OSMAND+) show a trail going thru between Lake Riggs Lake and Taylor Canyon Road headed west and north. No knowledge of the actual terrain. I'll be watching.

I gotta hook up with youse guys sometime this fall. My DRZ is in the throws of being ADVed, hope to meet some dirt riders,,,, spent too many miles on pavement the last few years.
I've got a dirt friendly DRZ too. Much better off road than the DR.

As for those trails, I believe that they are all hiking trails. But I'm not one to take someone else's word for it so I'd like to go and see for myself.
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:23 PM   #80702
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I am only talking about what has been proven not to work. Nothing else.
I have provided evidence in the form of a dyno chart with a CO trace that the DJ needle provides poor results. You have neither provided evidence that the DJ needle works well, nor that the non-USA adjustable OEM needle works poorly.
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Talking about trends, etc. is fine but without applying it to an actual motorcycle it just boils down to tuning with nothing but imagination.
Where do you think knowledge of the trends comes from if not from tuning, seeing what the results are and then keeping track of them?
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Well I guess you will keep repeating yourself too. At least until you actually try to make a good running DR650 with an open airbox and OEM needle.
And well after that.

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Old 08-28-2013, 07:32 PM   #80703
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hey y'all! its' been 18 months since my accident and finally got the DR back in the dirt in nicaragua where she lives. first ride on her since the accident. some may remember what happened but if not no biggie. bottom line is i still limp and probably will for life.

anyway, holy SHIT did i miss this bike! been riding the big pig on the streets since december but that is boring.

took me a bit to get my dirt legs back but managed a three hour semi-rough doble track ride without falling. the route had some pretty interesting hills, both up and down. haven't gotten the helmet cam back up yet so no pics or vids. sorry. but here is our gps track overlayed.



now, even before my wreck i never made it to the level of advanced dirt/trail rider by any stretch of the imagination. and there were always a few questions about what to do when. so here goes...

1. on super steep declines when 1st gear engine braking doesn't quite keep you slow enough, what is the best braking technique?

2. downhill, rough terrain. stand on pegs? weight forward or back?

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Old 08-28-2013, 07:37 PM   #80704
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A similarly setup bike with a stock non-USA needle will be unridable. The OEM needle profile is not compatible with a fully modified airbox. The OEM needle will work fine with the snorkel removed but once you open up the airbox the OEM needle will not have any height setting that will make for a good running motorcycle.
Mine with open air box, k&n filter, fmf muffler, adjustable OEM needle, runs great.
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:38 PM   #80705
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Broke the upper chain roller out of the frame. Now my DR matches my wife's. I sealed up the holes in the frames with JB weld. I never should have put that roller back in.
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:58 PM   #80706
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Mine with open air box, k&n filter, fmf muffler, adjustable OEM needle, runs great.
What altitude do you ride around at?
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:12 PM   #80707
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1. on super steep declines when 1st gear engine braking doesn't quite keep you slow enough, what is the best braking technique?

2. downhill, rough terrain. stand on pegs? weight forward or back?

tia
1. Roll in 1st and brake with the front until you're moving too slow for idle, then roll with the clutch pulled and use both brakes. Be careful to modulate the front brake so that it doesn't lock. You may occasionally want to drag the back tire around, but most of the time will be best with both wheels turning.

2. I get my weight as far back as practical. I usually stand, but my weight may be so far back that my butt is on the seat. If it's a short drop with an open runout, I may just lean back and wheely down.
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:13 PM   #80708
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What altitude do you ride around at?
5000 - 11000 ft
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:48 PM   #80709
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I have provided evidence in the form of a dyno chart with a CO trace that the DJ needle provides poor results.
Yet again a lame attempt to deflect from the original point. My comment was NOT in any way related to the DynoJet needle. If DJ needles did not exist my comment would be just as true and valid. I don't really care what your opinion of DJ needles is and frankly I'm very tired of hearing about it. It is not pertinent to the point I made.

Can't you read what I say, take it at face value and respond to the point at hand? I guess not. If you can't stick to the point why respond at all? Just to turn it into an argument? What a waste.
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:51 PM   #80710
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5000 - 11000 ft
You are the only rider I've heard of that feels successful with this setup. I'll concede that it might be workable at high altitudes. I'd love to know all the details of your setup.
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:56 PM   #80711
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5000 - 11000 ft
What needle clip position? I'm just about to install the adj needle for running 1,000' lower range than you.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:16 PM   #80712
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If DJ needles did not exist my comment would be just as true and valid.
It would not be valid regardless of whether DJ needles exist or not.
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I don't really care what your opinion of DJ needles is and frankly I'm very tired of hearing about it.
You must care what my opinion is, or else you would not continue to comment. I'm sorry you're tired of hearing about the DJ needle's shortcomings, but unfortunately that's not a good reason for me to stop contributing here.
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But if that It is not pertinent to the point I made.
It's pertinent because people tuning the BST40 carbs on their DR650s will need to select the needle that works best. Unfortunately that is a comparative endeavor that ideally involves becoming aware of the shortcomings of the DJ needle (as well as the advantages of the non-USA adjustable OEM needle), but we can leave it out if you like. Please provide a dyno chart with CO trace that demonstrates that a non-USA adjustable OEM jet needle is unworkable.
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Can't you read what I say, take it at face value and respond to the point at hand? I guess not. If you can't stick to the point why respond at all? Just to turn it into an argument?
I could ask you the exact same questions.
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What a waste.
Indeed.

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Old 08-28-2013, 10:03 PM   #80713
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Yeah I could have been a little more specific.Mainly I was asking what you all have for tires.I'd say I'm probably going to be mostly pavement with gravel and B roads too.Not much single track where I live.Just mostly for tooling around wherever.Won't be for commuting.
Thanks
There is a wide variety or tires made for DR650. I've used AT LEAST a half dozen different ones over the years. For "tooling" around and commuting I'd go with a street biased dual sport tire. These are pretty HD tires, give long life and are EXCELLENT on pavement but not great on gravel but do work. Considered 80/20 (street vs. off road) They are all weather and good on wet roads ...but not so good on muddy dirt roads.
Next is BUDGET ... how much you wanna spend? How far you wanna go?

The most popular current tire in this class for the DR650 is probably the Shinko 705. A great tire and affordable. Best value.
In this class you also have several other EXCELLENT tires:
Avon Distanzia
Michelin Anakee ll
Metzeler Tourance
Pirelli Scorpion Trail
Kenda 761
Bridgestone Battlewing (140 rear)
Dunlop Trail max TR91
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:08 PM   #80714
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the other technique is engine off, then use the front brake and clutch as your brakes. usually reserve this one for tricky downhill sections where you might want to have the option of getting both feet down or cant get your feet onto the pegs like with deep ruts. good idea to practice this one before you need it too, its a weird feeling letting the clutch out and pulling the brake lever in at the same time to slow yourself down


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1. Roll in 1st and brake with the front until you're moving too slow for idle, then roll with the clutch pulled and use both brakes. Be careful to modulate the front brake so that it doesn't lock. You may occasionally want to drag the back tire around, but most of the time will be best with both wheels turning.

2. I get my weight as far back as practical. I usually stand, but my weight may be so far back that my butt is on the seat. If it's a short drop with an open runout, I may just lean back and wheely down.
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:19 PM   #80715
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At 2200' asl, with a Jesse of kientech.com modded DynoJet kit setup (Jesse's open airbox specs...), 155 DJ mainjet for stock exhaust and Twin Air filter, adjustable fuel screw 1 1/4 out and IMPORTANTLY the needle clip set leaner than suggested, with the clip 3 down from the top (to eliminate the off extended idling flat spot, with the clip set 4 down from the top), my 07 starts great, pulls like a bear and gets great gas mileage.

What's not to like.

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