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Old 09-05-2013, 04:26 AM   #37711
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The bike is designated CRF-250L.
The F in CRF is Honda Motor Company's way of reminding you it's a four-stroke.

It started when the 2-stroke CR motocross bikes were being dropped for the 4-stroke motocross bikes.
Now, they put the CRF designation on any kind of four-stroke meant to see some kind of dirt, no matter how small, such as the CRF50F trail bike for kids.
AKA marketing strategy, and some would say AKA bullshit.
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Old 09-05-2013, 05:26 AM   #37712
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Oopps, my bad..there is an F in there. CRFL
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Old 09-05-2013, 05:37 AM   #37713
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I'm probably gonna be blasted for this but I find the WRR a little low on power as is (even with all the power mods) I can't imagine having much fun off road on the CRF unless you are just putting down gravel roads...
I haven't ridden a CRF250L, but I have owned the CRF230L. The CRF230 had some torque down low that you don't have to rev to get to. This makes it very usable off-road, and does not seem too down on power when you're trail riding. I think this is what he was referring to. It was much slower on the street but off road it could go faster than I cared to go. My reason for the move to the WRR was the suspension upgrade and fuel injection. But, when revved up the WRR has significantly more power for the street than the 230 did, enough to get the adrenaline going in the twisties.

I'm sure the CRF250L has a respectable amount of power to have fun offroad and on-road. I can see it being just as much fun on most of the trail rides I do. Then again, I pretty much never go full throttle on any trails.
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:00 AM   #37714
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I have both and the crf is no doubt down on power compared to the wr but I have to say I love the crf offroad its a blast and does hide its weight well I honestly don't feel a huge weight difference between the two. The little crf flies off jumps and is a ton of fun in my opinion.
Kick-ass pair of bikes!
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:05 AM   #37715
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I haven't ridden a CRF250L, but I have owned the CRF230L. The CRF230 had some torque down low that you don't have to rev to get to. This makes it very usable off-road, and does not seem too down on power when you're trail riding. I think this is what he was referring to. It was much slower on the street but off road it could go faster than I cared to go. My reason for the move to the WRR was the suspension upgrade and fuel injection. But, when revved up the WRR has significantly more power for the street than the 230 did, enough to get the adrenaline going in the twisties.

I'm sure the CRF250L has a respectable amount of power to have fun offroad and on-road. I can see it being just as much fun on most of the trail rides I do. Then again, I pretty much never go full throttle on any trails.
Exactly, I actually have 2 other buddies that have crf250l's and on the street my wr eats them alive, I can beat them by semi truck lengths in a drag race, when we take off from a stop they can hang with me until I hit about 3rd gear then I just pull away big time, I will say I notice the more miles they put on them the less I seem to be able to pull away my buddy has 4,000 miles on his and swears it keeps getting faster and I do have a harder time pulling away but always do.
Mine only has 480miles so far and its wound up tighter than a drum, they both smoke me on my crf and everyone is completely stock. The bottom end is where it shines on the crf a fun bike off road thats were the power is the best, thats why im actually really happy with it in the trails. the sand here is FL is pretty horrible knee deep in many places and the crf does pretty well in my opinion, wr needs to be revved pretty high to get through it, no doubt the wr is a better bike but that crf is so much fun to ride and easy to ride at that, I love finding things to jump it off of, it just makes you feel comfortable doing it and for the price you can't beat it.
honestly I think the bike needs to be broken in to feel what the bike is really going to be like.. both of my buddies agreed at the 600-700mile range the bike just started to kick in, not so wound up, they both agreed the motor sounded different and just felt much faster in general the bike just needs some time to break in and it does come alive not wr alive but better than new alive
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:10 AM   #37716
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Kick-ass pair of bikes!
Thanks!
the question is would you sell them both for this? my wife gave the ok but said I should sell both my bike to pay for it! its the 2013 ducati hypermotard 821cc twin, one sweet bike for sure! but two for one not sure what to do!!
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:14 AM   #37717
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Thanks!
the question is would you sell them both for this? my wife gave the ok but said I should sell both my bike to pay for it! its the 2013 ducati hypermotard 821cc twin, one sweet bike for sure! but two for one not sure what to do!!
Once the lusting begins, there is nothing to do but satisfy it..
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:20 AM   #37718
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you got it, its a tough one to get over for sure! In general the bike is not that horribly priced just under 12k but the services are kind of expensive, parts are definitely more expensive and insurance is more $325 a year compared to both my wr and crf at $180 a year.
first service 600miles $293 second service 7500miles $805, 16,000miles service $1100, one guy told me the second service is at 9,000 miles so?? anyways I feel like I ride my wr a lot and only have about 3100 miles on it in about 11months so it would be a while before I even hit 7500miles or 9000 miles whenever that 2nd service is even truly needed. I just have so much money in my wr its out of this world, I hope to get some of it back?? wr rarely ever even come up for sale in my area, I actually had a guy offer me $7,000 at a gas station for it one day 3months ago, if I had thought about it I would have just taken it and jumped on this ducati!! but i don't know there is something about these easy to maintain reliable cheap bikes!
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:07 AM   #37719
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What's better for socal - Michelin T63 or Pirelli MT21 ???

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To those that have used either or both on their WR250R, please share your experiences. Typical usage is hard pack fire roads, some rocky stuff (mostly dry, but riding up north it will be wetter). Also socal desert which is mostly hard pack, but of main concern are the many 3"-8" deep sandy patches one encounters.

Road use is limited to only reaching trails from the house or staging area (typically less than 20 miles each way).
Just wanted to thank everyone for your input T63 vs MT21, very good real world information.

The excellent in sand input on the T63 have cemented the rear tire choice, but I have both the T63 and MT21 front tire in the shopping cart. I normally don't mix brands/treads, but there is much positive input on the MT21 front being excellent, and compatible with most any rear tire pairing. Now just gotta' pick one and go .
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:45 AM   #37720
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I have a WR250R and my brother has the CRF250L.

I have ridden his bike on several occasions and I really like the torque of the motor down low. Makes the bike very controllable at low speed. I was surprised that the bike did not feel as heavy as it is so I think the weight must be centered a bit lower than say the WRR.

However, the suspension is just not on par with the WRR. Apparently the CRF only uses a spring in one of the forks as a cost savings measure. With only one spring you are limited to how far you can go with setting sag before you have to go to a two spring setup especially if you are a big guy.

One thing he has struggled with on that bike is head shake when ever he hits 60 to 65 MPH. He has been through the whole front end and looks like a dynamic balance has allowed him to delay the head shake to 70 MPH which is probably just fine. IMHO if there was a decent suspension package on that bike this would not be a concern. I have also seen this same issue when riding behind another CRF when we were slabbing it between trails. The rider could not really go much more than 60 before the front end really began the death shake.

In the end I think the CRF is a great starter bike and is very forgiving to learn on. But if you are already and experienced rider I think you may be disappointed by the suspension and will be looking to upgrade it fairly quickly.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:38 PM   #37721
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Thanks!
the question is would you sell them both for this? my wife gave the ok but said I should sell both my bike to pay for it! its the 2013 ducati hypermotard 821cc twin, one sweet bike for sure! but two for one not sure what to do!!
Hmmmm, Me thinks that exhaust will be a challenge for deep mud pits
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:45 PM   #37722
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I have a WR250R and my brother has the CRF250L.

I have ridden his bike on several occasions and I really like the torque of the motor down low. Makes the bike very controllable at low speed. I was surprised that the bike did not feel as heavy as it is so I think the weight must be centered a bit lower than say the WRR.

However, the suspension is just not on par with the WRR. Apparently the CRF only uses a spring in one of the forks as a cost savings measure. With only one spring you are limited to how far you can go with setting sag before you have to go to a two spring setup especially if you are a big guy.

One thing he has struggled with on that bike is head shake when ever he hits 60 to 65 MPH. He has been through the whole front end and looks like a dynamic balance has allowed him to delay the head shake to 70 MPH which is probably just fine. IMHO if there was a decent suspension package on that bike this would not be a concern. I have also seen this same issue when riding behind another CRF when we were slabbing it between trails. The rider could not really go much more than 60 before the front end really began the death shake.

In the end I think the CRF is a great starter bike and is very forgiving to learn on. But if you are already and experienced rider I think you may be disappointed by the suspension and will be looking to upgrade it fairly quickly.
So far thankfully none of the 3 crf's we have experienced any real head shake problem, I think many on a new bike grip to tightly at high speeds, the looser you are on the grips that goes away in my experience at least, not saying that is your brother's issue but the crf is a first bike for many and gripping to tightly at high speeds will definitely cause that.
My buddy brad weighs 150#'s he pretty much can push the bike as fast as it will go at his weight and he rides the highway to work most days on his and is at 77-80mph the whole way, he actually mentioned the shake when he first got the bike until I told him to loosen his grip and he said that is exactly what was doing it, never had a shake or shimmy since.
I weigh 185 and I feel like I can jump the hell out of the bike, never bottomed out ever. I actually bought my wr a year before the crf so I was used to a pretty decent suspension but I actually enjoy the suspension of the crf nice and soft and can really pre load it before I hit a decent jump and she fly's and land like its on pillows!!
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:47 PM   #37723
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Hmmmm, Me thinks that exhaust will be a challenge for deep mud pits
not when she will skim right over the top of them
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:16 PM   #37724
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They're both black. Just stick a Yamaha decal over the Ducatti when it's in the garage and keep the Honda. "What new bike, honey?"
Or you can sell the Yamaha and store the Honda in my garage
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:39 PM   #37725
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They're both black. Just stick a Yamaha decal over the Ducatti when it's in the garage and keep the Honda. "What new bike, honey?"
Or you can sell the Yamaha and store the Honda in my garage
wish it was that easy, oh absolutely if you were closer that's just what I would do thanks for the storage offer lol. I dont know I just may keep em there both a blast and pretty inexpensive to maintain.
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