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Old 10-05-2013, 09:53 PM   #17791
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Glad you're relatively OK TC. Saludos, JIm
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Old 10-06-2013, 06:51 AM   #17792
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QUOTE TURKEYCREEK

This particular tope killed 4 soldiers a few months back when they were bounced out of the back of their Hummer. The police in Imuris told me that this tope has killed 10 people but I can't verify.
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OUCH, get well soon and safe

This again proves my contention that Mexican speed bumps
are in most instances vastly overdone ,thrown up by people who
have no conception or consideration of safety for vehicular road users.
As this example shows they have actually caused deaths and are responsible
annually for millions of dollars of damage to vehicles , millions of liters of fuel
wasted in the trucking industry , consequent air pollution from
trucks and cars needing to stop and start up again and the many millions of dollars of
the wasted fuel and time and damaged vehicles which need to be factored into the cost of business. .The chain of unintended bad consequences goes on longer.

If the new president Peña Nieto really wants to earn a place in history he could
earn it easily by establishing and enforcing strict federal standards for topes,
their permitted maximum height, width,slope angles , spacing and location.
Pedestrian safety is important but in too many cases it is obvious that topes have
been thrown up without any real thought by folk who have no experience driving anything, simply to slow down traffic , just to teach those strangers a lesson.
Driver education and pedestrian educatoon and strict ,fair non-corrupt enforcement of speed limits would be a sensible approach.
There really is no excuse for placing huge topes at stop signs on steep uphill intersections sometimes with sand or cobblestone pavement ,in deeply potholed unpaved streets where traffic crawls at best of times,after sharp curves , in dappled shade areas and within spacings of a few truck lengths....... all of which I have experienced
We can slow down and enjoy Mexico without these death traps.They have NO scenic worth.
Sr Presidente Take Down These Topes!

Everybody in Mexico cut and paste this and send it to the prez

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Old 10-06-2013, 07:52 AM   #17793
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Well said Sr. Bakker. I may send this to the Gov of Sonora.
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Old 10-06-2013, 10:28 AM   #17794
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I'm sure he'll send the road graders out after he gets it
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Old 10-06-2013, 10:46 AM   #17795
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Says the cat in a medical marijuana state
The state has actually legalized recreational use effective 1/1/14. Armageddon is nigh, the horsemen are mounted and riding and there are no topes.
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Old 10-06-2013, 10:56 AM   #17796
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Glad to see that you are relatively OK TC. Best wishes for a speed recovery.


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Old 10-06-2013, 11:03 AM   #17797
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The state has actually legalized recreational use effective 1/1/14.
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:06 AM   #17798
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TC, hope you get well soon.

As for topes, they are simply established out of necessity, yes, I despise them as much as the next guy, but what would you do if you had zero legal control for out of control drivers right in front of your house?

Kids, animals, old folks, everyone walks in Mexico and in small villages on secondary roads, you'll find lots of people walking. They don't drive cars, they don't even have a motorcycle nor even a bicycle. But many had relatives that were taken out by reckless bus drivers, truck drivers, etc...

I am not defending the tope, I am rationalizing it.

Sjored, I know your heart is in the right place but seriously...Enrique Pena Nieto, the president of Mexico, can't even find his own arse end with both hands behind his back while looking in a mirror with the directions written in reverse on his forehead. He could give a damn about topes, he can't even be counted on to help hurricane victims in dire need of aid, regulation of topes is simply an impossibility. You think Turkey Creek has a head injury and loss of memory, EPN couldn't even remember how his wife died!

Perspective changes when you deal with them every single day and not just on trips as far as road hazards are concerned.


It's a yin-yang thang. For the record, I think most were designed by the devil himself. They are evil, nasty, and diabolical. But they do serve a purpose, more often than not. I doubt they are placed some place to "teach strangers a lesson", cement and labor are used for more pragmatic purposes in the sierras.

I can tell you that topes, right now, are the least of your worries in most parts of Mexico, there are literally entire sections of road missing in action. This is the newest danger. What you think will be there, what was there the last time you took the road (and for some of you it might be a year or more), is simply gone. The other very present danger is that of truck traffic crowding into your lane. Mexican roads are officially narrower than roads in many countries. Ask any RV owner. Whatever road shoulder there was, in many cases, has crumbled away due to the heavy rains and flooding and vehicles now hug the center line more than ever before. Couple that with winds and a double semi whipping back and forth and you've got a carambola in the making. Heads up on that, it's worse in the wet because you can't react as fast as in the dry with your counter steering, well, ok, you can but you better be ready for the slide that will follow.

Go back a few pages and take a look at the section of road missing near La Esperanza, it won't make TC feel any better, but I am sure he'll agree that results might have varied if he had plunged off of that.

A far more novel and oddly beautiful approach would be to remove all the topes, every single one, and then make all prospective and currently elected officials place themselves horizontal on the roads where the topes were. Those that survive the first 48 hours would be elegible to run for office or re-election. Those that don't can just be cemented over.
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:18 AM   #17799
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Yes Topes can be a pain in the butt... BUT they also work like passing lanes in the right places...


My sentence is up today at 13:00, no more floating jail house, Mexico here I come....
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:26 AM   #17800
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BUT they also work like passing lanes in the right places...
I couldn't imagine riding the coast highway Mex #180 without them.
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Old 10-06-2013, 12:16 PM   #17801
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I couldn't imagine riding the coast highway Mex #180 without them.
It would be impossible to get past all of the citrus and vegetable trucks.
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Old 10-06-2013, 01:54 PM   #17802
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Topes are not the enemy, poorly designed and placed and poorly marked topes are the enemy. Sojerd's comment about standards is apt. Right now, crews are modifying the height and angle of several topes between here and Aconchi. Small cars could not cross them with out hitting their undercarriage. I don't know who is doing the work - it might be an ad-hoc group of locals

Things designed to solve one problem should not cause other problems. And a tope designed to force a truck to stop is going to cause problems. My neighbor says that topes are used by pueblos with lazy cops who don't want to enforce speed limits in their towns

There are lots of dangers in driving Mexican roads; wash outs, trucks in your lane, cows. After living here full time for almost 6 years I know how it works. I am fully responsible for the crash because I know there are nasty, unmarked topes out there hiding the shadows. I did not make the appropriate adjustments and this time it bit me. I have been thinking the incident through as much as I can with my addled brain and it goes back to what I always told my kids the 2 most important words are (no Trice, not those words) but pay attention. There were some things going on with me that afternoon that diverted my attention.

Not the worst thing to have happened to me: I got to make friends with the cops in Imuris, my wife still loves me and we have had a good back and forth here. Some time to heal, some Bondo and some paint and few bits from E-bay and everything will be as before. (to those of you who knew me before I moved to Mexico, yes, this is me talking)

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Old 10-06-2013, 02:28 PM   #17803
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I'm sure he'll send the road graders out after he gets it

Road graders ? The way a lot of them are built it would take some dinamite to tenderize them first.
And no Mike , I have no illusions about the qualifications of any of the politicians
you mention but I do think that once after the storm damage has been mostly looked after and things return to something that goes for normal in Mexico it would be
possible to get some of the bureaucrats to direct their attention to standardizing and
civilizing topes.
I do not question your statement that the fulfill a purpose of slowing down drivers.However I do think that can be achieved by having topes of less radical dimensions where some engineering considerations have been taken such as the
ground clearance of normal passenger cars, the angles of the slope to minimize damage if taken at excess speed and so on . They do not need politicians to do this, only a directive to get a few tech people in the CAPUFE on it. If they know how to build good toll booths than this is not beyond their ability ,and it would be a feather in the cap of the prez who gets it rolling. He will have statues in his honor " el Matatope"
I have observed the proliferatio of topes over the years and have noticed their growth into the ridiculous .As road quality all over improved topes became the stand ins for the potholes which were removed
As in most countries the speeders much of the time are the themselves locals
who complain about speeders. And there is indeed the element of blaming outsiders
for the speeding and hazard.I will be politically incorrect , but in the heavily indigenous areas for example in the sierras of Chiapas the local councils in their threats to place more topes do appear to be
using it as a tool to exert some form of excessively coercive power over the interloper traffic. Certainly they deserve every civil right as all other people but that should not be used as an excuse to do silly and dangerous things just because they can
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Old 10-06-2013, 03:21 PM   #17804
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I can just see it now. A National Tope Standards Committee made up of three civil engineers, and five politicians will convene and design the "National Standard Tope". Then ten road crews each consisting of six workers, a dump truck, a jack hammer and a burro will fan out across Mexico with instructions to remove each and every existing tope and rebuild them to the new standard. At some point each of these crews will have to have a squad size unit from the military assigned to protect them from angry locals and politicos. Twenty years from now they will have completed 25 % of the project. But of course, I am an optimist.
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Old 10-06-2013, 03:31 PM   #17805
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My neighbor says that topes are used by pueblos with lazy cops who don't want to enforce speed limits in their towns
Also, a tope can't be bought off with a 200 peso bill.

Let’s don't let the Mexican drivers off the hook. Mexican drivers have an rude and uncivilized lack of respect for their fellow Mexican Pedestrians. Commonly the more expensive the vehicle, the more poorly mannered the driver. The Mexican elite at their finest.

Many Mexicans drivers can't comprehend why they should slow down for a Pedestrian if they own and are driving a vehicle. But they do understand expensive damage inflicted on the front end of a vehicle. Hence the tope!

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