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Old 10-12-2013, 05:28 AM   #106
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I've got no idea why but I sure hope Yamaha has studied the flash fueling... It's not just the 1-3 gear restrictions, the ECUnleashed flash makes the bike much smoother and more powerful in all the gears. Now my throttle hand doesn't fall asleep anymore.
It REALLY make the engine that much smoother...?? I may have to try it this winter and see what all the hubub is about...
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Old 10-12-2013, 05:47 AM   #107
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OK I will bite. What is the third generation re-flash?

I am familiar with the second generation re-flash, but I don't get out much.
Pardon the fool , I meant 2nd gen re-flash .
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Old 10-12-2013, 05:56 AM   #108
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It REALLY make the engine that much smoother...?? I may have to try it this winter and see what all the hubub is about...
Yup, had a lot of problems with throttle hand numbness, all gone now. Between that and the power, the flash really makes a good bike a great one.

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Old 10-12-2013, 09:33 AM   #109
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Pardon the fool , I meant 2nd gen re-flash .
No problem. I confuse easily.
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Old 10-12-2013, 07:19 PM   #110
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What difference does the salvage title make? Isn't there a more reliable RR available? Suspension always needs to be rebuilt on any bike. Ditto for head and wheel bearings. Ain't worth selling it for what you could get and you'll miss the sound of that camgear drive V4 later, hang onto it even if you get another bike...
Oh, I won't sell it, - you're right, I won't get anything out of it. Two reasons for it to be retired though, 1) daily driver reliability and 2) my back doesn't care for the riding position anymore.

I'll end up rebuilding it and just keep it around for sunny afternoons, because yeah, that camgear whine and V4 sound is addictive.......
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Old 10-13-2013, 03:31 AM   #111
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I'll end up rebuilding it and just keep it around for sunny afternoons, because yeah, that camgear whine and V4 sound is addictive.......
That's exactly what I wish I had done... I had a full Erion exhaust system on it, 110 rwhp and sounded brilliant!

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Old 10-13-2013, 09:19 AM   #112
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What Yamaha Should Do

Yamaha needs more people voting with their wallets - buying this bike - or the model will be history. It is not selling well enough to keep it going long-term. This is a shame.

My suggestions to Yamaha:

Mechanical:
1. Cut the weight, by 50lbs.
2. Re-design the fuel tank and engine placement for a lower center of gravity.
3. Give it better suspension out of the box. It should not "bottom out" as easily as it does.
4. Give it a tad more travel, front and rear.
5. Install cruise control.

Marketing:
1. Encourage demo rides at every dealership.
2. Sponsor real-world riders to ride the bike on various continents. Give everyday people a chance to ride the S10 for say 3-5 days (all expenses paid) and interview them during and after.
3. Sponsor "experienced" riders to take the bike on a "year of journeys" and post travelogues of their experiences. I'm thinking here of some experienced folks who have ridden several countries already (like many you find at HU). They have cred in the industry.

Make a product that people want, and then remind them of why they want it.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:25 AM   #113
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I like it just fine, I would like it better if it were about a 750 tho.
Some folks need a bike like this in a 1200 with lots of horsepower, some don't.

I don't even mind the "nannies" since they seem to be fairly well sorted.
But every time I look at one of these it just looks too big for the riding I'd want to do with it.
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Old 10-13-2013, 04:05 PM   #114
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[QUOTE=Bain Dramage;22542196]Yamaha needs more people voting with their wallets - buying this bike - or the model will be history. It is not selling well enough to keep it going long-term. This is a shame.

My suggestions to Yamaha:

Mechanical:
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1. Cut the weight, by 50lbs.
2. Re-design the fuel tank and engine placement for a lower center of gravity.
3. Give it better suspension out of the box. It should not "bottom out" as easily as it does.
4. Give it a tad more travel, front and rear.
5. Install cruise control.
1) Where? This should go under marketing. Just make a bare bones Magnesium wheel, Fragile version, with a small fuel capacity and then quote 90% fuelled and make the current S10 the ADV Version. It's been working for BMW for years.

2) The COG is already very low. The tank could be plastic I suppose, How do they get the motor lower?

3)Stiffer or longer?

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Marketing:
2. Sponsor real-world riders to ride the bike on various continents. Give everyday people a chance to ride the S10 for say 3-5 days (all expenses paid) and interview them during and after.
3. Sponsor "experienced" riders to take the bike on a "year of journeys" and post travelogues of their experiences. I'm thinking here of some experienced folks who have ridden several countries already (like many you find at HU). They have cred in the industry.

Make a product that people want, and then remind them of why they want it.
2) Plenty of people do that on their own.
3) See
Nick Sanders,


Davide Biga.


Francesco Cattanese

All sponsored RTW riders or Rally Riders.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:15 AM   #115
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The bike is fine right out of the crate. Just put gas in it and ride.

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Old 10-14-2013, 09:05 AM   #116
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Try to get a message through
And get back out of this material world
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:17 AM   #117
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:12 PM   #118
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:34 PM   #119
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Great bike but...

1. Contract ECUnleashed to remap the fueling.

2. Upgrade the suspensions to KYB (46mm forks and fully adjustable shock)

3. Upgrade electrics for on-the-fly TC (at the bars), cruise control and a 12v outlet that can handle more than just charging your fancy phone.
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Old 10-17-2013, 11:27 PM   #120
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Here is my list of gripes after 40 months of ownership.

1) The dash switches should be bar mounted. All of them. It is a pain trying to change any of them on the move. I had a GSA before and I liked that feature (sorry for swearing in public).
2) The bike is powerful enough. It just needs the throttle ratio changed in 'S' so the butterflies open quicker (like the Gen 2 flash makes it do).
3) The huge flat spot needs eradicating, as do the gear restrictions, but again, only in 'S'.
4) 1st gear is too high. In rough streets with traffic the clutch is used too much. Also when off road over rocks etc, it is too high. Sadly, (and I hate to say this again) I ordered my BMW with a low 1st gear and is was a big bonus.

Having said all the above, I am still happy with the switch.
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