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Old 10-28-2013, 08:48 PM   #25216
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They make them
http://www.autoanything.com/pet-trav...FRFxQgod4BoANQ

My dogs ride in the back of the pick up though, I guess I am asinine...
Looks like a good way to turn Fido into a floppy, furry yo-yo.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:51 PM   #25217
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They make them
http://www.autoanything.com/pet-trav...FRFxQgod4BoANQ

My dogs ride in the back of the pick up though, I guess I am asinine...
I wouldn't count on any of the current "designed-for-the-car" harnesses to work.

http://centerforpetsafety.org/research/

Having looked at some of them in the store, I'd put more faith in a Ruffwear harness, which my friend's dog Luna endorses as a reasonable solution in a hack. She is usually unrestrained in the car, though, which I'd say is fairly reasonable based on the crash testing linked above—there's really no good way to attach the Ruffwear harness to the car, and in the hack, it's more of a "keep-her-from-getting-distracted-by-a-bird-or-a-squirrel" tool than intended as a crash restraint.

Personally, I think it's all about deciding what risk is reasonable given the benefit. I know that riding a motorcycle is inherently more dangerous than driving a car, and skiing is also inherently dangerous. I'll be damned if I have any intention of stopping either activity, given any say in the matter.

With respect to pets and children, they obviously can't make the decisions themselves, either in accepting risk or in choosing mitigating actions such as protective gear or crash restraints, so the adults who are responsible have to weigh the risks and benefits. I'm pretty confident that, even if Luna could understand the risk of being in a car, she'd still choose to get in every time she had the choice between coming along and staying home.

On a related note, a dog standing up in the sidecar shortly before hitting a bump on a tight right-hand corner can result in flying the car, but that was an AppGap fail, not a Tail of the Dragon fail, and I don't have any photos. Fortunately, everyone made it home in one piece.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:58 PM   #25218
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I had a dog that liked drinking engine coolant, once...
What's your point?
My point is: Keep your overbearing laws off my person, Off MY kids and off MY pets.
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:14 PM   #25219
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:20 PM   #25220
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:24 PM   #25221
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My point is: Keep your overbearing laws off my person, Off MY kids and off MY pets.
DAKEZ,
Please tell me that you are kidding.
Society needs to protect those that cannot protect themselves.
I don't consider it an overbearing law to protect children from their ignorant parents.
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:46 PM   #25222
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sheesh...
everyone and everything dies, no one is special. there are nearly 7 billion of us. we kill and eat millions of animals a week..and i for one find them delicious...and somebody is gonna get bent about a dog on a motorcycle.
you know how the human race is going to end....soon everyone will be a woman.
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Old 10-29-2013, 03:48 AM   #25223
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How about a picture of how you strap your dog into a vehicle in a way that restrains it safely and humanely...
Most countries that I have lived in actually require that the pet be restrained in a vehicle. It prevents two things. First, it stops idiots from being idiots and driving around with Fido in their lap. Second, it stops the dog from becoming a projectile that kills passengers in a high speed accident.

Of course, the same could happen with your groceries. I once spent 20 minutes on the side of a highway in Belgium getting lectured by a police officer about the deadly nature of the 20 racks of beer in my wagon...you know....should they go flying when I slam on the brakes. I assured him that I would never do anything to endanger my Trappistes Rochefort, but he didn't believe me.

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Old 10-29-2013, 03:52 AM   #25224
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On a related note, a dog standing up in the sidecar shortly before hitting a bump on a tight right-hand corner can result in flying the car, but that was an AppGap fail, not a Tail of the Dragon fail, and I don't have any photos. Fortunately, everyone made it home in one piece.
Amen to that. #1 Hack Monkey did this once. It scared him more than it did me, and he's never done it again. Weight shift of any sort in the hack can cause serious problems for the pilot. Most people don't realize how sensitive these rigs really are.


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Old 10-29-2013, 04:39 AM   #25225
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DAKEZ,
Please tell me that you are kidding.
Society needs to protect those that cannot protect themselves.
I don't consider it an overbearing law to protect children from their ignorant parents.
When I was growing up we didn't wear seatbelts, bicycle helmets, and didn't have nerf playgrounds. We learned that stupid hurts at a young age. How did we survive without the nanny state?
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Old 10-29-2013, 04:49 AM   #25226
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When I was growing up we didn't wear seatbelts, bicycle helmets, and didn't have nerf playgrounds. We learned that stupid hurts at a young age. How did we survive without the nanny state?
When I was a kid you probably would have gotten beaten up for showing up with a helmet.
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Old 10-29-2013, 07:18 AM   #25227
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My point is: Keep your overbearing laws off my person, Off MY kids and off MY pets.
So let me get this straight....

The same person that started this thread about taking responsibility for your own safety....
Doesn't choose to extend this right to those who either don't have a voice, or those too young to make the decision for themselves.

Dakez read the parts below that you wrote and I highlighted in red.

The problem is.... since some don't have the intelligence, maturity or awareness to responsibly protect their own lives, how can they possibly make a life/death/risk decision for someone else?

5. It’s Always Your Fault, No Matter What
Here’s the thing about riding a bike: you’re taking your life into your own hands. There’s no steel safety cage, no airbags, no crumple zone, its just you and your wits against the world. If you ask me, that’s what makes riding so great, but it also means you need to make a fundamental shift in your thinking. It doesn’t matter what it says on the police report or the insurance papers or that the teenage chick was texting her boyfriend when she hit you; all that matters is she hit you. And you could have prevented it, you needed to, it’s your life, not hers.

So go out there and actively take your own life into your own hands. No excuses.
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Old 10-29-2013, 07:25 AM   #25228
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By the way...

Dakez, To a great extent, I agree with you.
I'm not in favour of a nanny state and don't want the gov't intruding into my bedroom.

But by the same token, I know that many people can't take responsibility for themselves and if we don't speak up for those upon whom they may have a direct effect, who will? And how responsible are we for not doing so?
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Old 10-29-2013, 07:34 AM   #25229
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Let Darwin work.


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Old 10-29-2013, 07:52 AM   #25230
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Let Darwin work.
Sounds good. Sounds tough. Some people even think it sounds intelligent..
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