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Old 10-29-2013, 08:27 AM   #16
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Thats a handy little tidbit. I'm gonna mix some up & give it a try.


Sugar, get steves VL book at vlheaven.com

I promise it will save you time & money. he has alot of info in it.
+1 On the tip from GWW. We actually were using Kroil at one of the other guys shops. It has a much nicer burning smell than PB

I'm going to find a little metal can and mix myself up a batch of the ATF/acetone.

Doug, I have that book from Slocumb it is an excellent help on these. As you know once you get below '37 information is harder to come by.

I'm glad to see your JD coming along. We were all standing around your truck after you picked it up this spring. I was with with Sid from Tenn and Jim at the kickstart rally in some dealership (Charleston/Savannah) and we all headed up to Denton after it finished.
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:36 AM   #17
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finding JD info is harder than finding VL info, theres no JDHeaven out there!
Luckily I have been meeting guys that know alot about JD's, Im sure they will get tired of my stupid questions!

dont miss Denton next year, they talked me into being the speaker at the banquet
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:01 AM   #18
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finding JD info is harder than finding VL info, theres no JDHeaven out there!
Luckily I have been meeting guys that know alot about JD's, Im sure they will get tired of my stupid questions!

dont miss Denton next year, they talked me into being the speaker at the banquet
Lots of JD bits:

http://www.competitiondist.com/

I ordered some clutch parts and stuff from them this morning. LOTS of JD and a little VL and other stuff.

I can't wait for Denton, we won't heckle you I swear
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:24 AM   #19
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this is a good place for parts
http://easternmotorcycleparts.com/

but I think they only sell to dealers. I'm working on getting set up as a dealer, so if you need anything, let me know
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Old 10-29-2013, 10:07 AM   #20
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These guys sell some go fast goodies for the JD, and other early bikes.

http://earlyharley.com/index.php
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Old 10-29-2013, 10:41 AM   #21
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Doug, what info are you needing? sure no expert but know a little. we met on last yrs. cannonball. #57
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:43 AM   #22
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nothin specific yet, just wish there was a good book on JD's

I dont wish it enough to be the guy to write one, but would be nice if someone else did :)



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Doug, what info are you needing? sure no expert but know a little. we met on last yrs. cannonball. #57
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:25 AM   #23
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A quick look in the transmission. This is a sliding three speed, so that shuttle to the far right slides back and forth to lock the different gears. Despite the poor appearance of its shaft it slides very easily. I may still replace the shaft as there is not much to it and it probably is inexpensive. The fan shaped piece has a claw underneath that grabs the circular object in the middle and moves it side to side.

Luckily everything look decent. I will replace what ever parts are available and run with it.



Next up is the oil pump. The motor appears in good shape and may have been rebuilt and then sat. We won't be able to gauge its condition until I can run it. It seemed prudent to clean out the oil pump as the bike has been sitting.



It works like a two stroke jetski. You can see the baseline setting to the left with 'more-less' and then the arm on top is attached to the throttle. The more throttle, the more oil.

Don't forget kids this is a total loss motor and has no recirculating oil. This pump feeds the crankpin and then it just bangs around in there and goes to the chains and provides fragrance for those who follow.

The worm gear that drives it, this hidden grunge makes me question whether the motor is rebuilt or not.



The wedge on the piece to the left is attached to the 'more-less' adjuster and slides depending on where you set it. The crazy wheel on the right spins and presses the pumper on each rotation.



All done, I'm out of solvents so cleaning will have to wait for a trip to the store. Lots of little parts, but everything was in great shape. I will replace the gasket and a check ball but that's it. Was a little grungy and I feel better having taking it down.

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Old 10-30-2013, 07:21 PM   #24
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A quick look in the transmission. This is a sliding three speed, so that shuttle to the far right slides back and forth to lock the different gears. Despite the poor appearance of its shaft it slides very easily. I may still replace the shaft as there is not much to it and it probably is inexpensive. The fan shaped piece has a claw underneath that grabs the circular object in the middle and moves it side to side.

Luckily everything look decent. I will replace what ever parts are available and run with it.

Oh, OK, not sure what I was thinking, but whatever it was it was way more complicated than that.

Very much similar to the transmission in my buddies dirt track race car!
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Old 10-31-2013, 02:51 PM   #25
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What strikes me is the pristine appearance of the nuts and screw slots. This is the first thing I look for. It makes me wonder if it's ever been apart. Everything seems so crisp and nice.

I'm going to make a suggestion. Roller and ball bearings can etch from acids in used motor oil over time. You might want to split the cases and have a look, it may save you from having to do the job over if the bearings need to be changed.
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Old 11-01-2013, 04:11 AM   #26
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What strikes me is the pristine appearance of the nuts and screw slots. This is the first thing I look for. It makes me wonder if it's ever been apart. Everything seems so crisp and nice.

I'm going to make a suggestion. Roller and ball bearings can etch from acids in used motor oil over time. You might want to split the cases and have a look, it may save you from having to do the job over if the bearings need to be changed.
The bike really is exceptional in that regard. Everything on it looks like it hasn't been apart. It's hard for me to wrap my head around that no one has screwed with it for 80 years.

Where did it sit that it was protected for all that time? It has original sheet metal and appears to have been a complete bike based on a few little things. All I know was that it was in New Jersey before Wisconsin.

The mystery of it all is one of the most fun parts for me.

You are right about splitting the cases but I think I will fire it up and see what I have first. Just to play devils advocate a little the rods in the VL run in bushings not roller bearing like EL and UL and I think the only roller bearings are in the cases them selves. Also since it is total loss presumabley the oil was cleaner inside of it than a recirculating motor. Since the rods would be fed only from fresh oil from the tank no acid should be present. We'll see what I decide in the end, but that would be the most prudent route.
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Old 11-01-2013, 04:34 AM   #28
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Good thread, thanks!

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Old 11-01-2013, 07:41 AM   #29
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The bike really is exceptional in that regard. Everything on it looks like it hasn't been apart. It's hard for me to wrap my head around that no one has screwed with it for 80 years.

Where did it sit that it was protected for all that time? It has original sheet metal and appears to have been a complete bike based on a few little things. All I know was that it was in New Jersey before Wisconsin.

The mystery of it all is one of the most fun parts for me.

You are right about splitting the cases but I think I will fire it up and see what I have first. Just to play devils advocate a little the rods in the VL run in bushings not roller bearing like EL and UL and I think the only roller bearings are in the cases them selves. Also since it is total loss presumabley the oil was cleaner inside of it than a recirculating motor. Since the rods would be fed only from fresh oil from the tank no acid should be present. We'll see what I decide in the end, but that would be the most prudent route.
Another reason to split them would be to use a modern sealant to avoid leaks. I know they all drip from the primary case by design, but the less the better.
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