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Old 11-26-2013, 04:11 AM   #16
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When we bought my wife's used Jeep, it had been a week from the time I called about it to the time we could go see it (it was about 1.5 hrs away). I am SO glad I had the foresight to print the internet ad before we left. When the paperwork was presented to us, the Jeep was $1100 more than it had been in the ad. When I called them on it, the salesman looked confused (genuinely). He, of course, had to get the sales manager. His explanation was that it was a 'market adjustment' because it was a 'rare vehicle' and that it would cost them more to replace it with another one.

I asked him to explain how a vehicle sitting on a used car lot goes up in value the longer it sits there. Blank stare. Thanked the sales man for his time and made the move to get up. Incredibly, the price on the printed ad was then honored.

I fucking hate car dealerships.
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Old 11-26-2013, 04:40 AM   #17
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Anyone financing a bike isn't exactly a Mensa candidate. Some people deserve to get ripped off.
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Old 11-26-2013, 04:59 AM   #18
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Anyone financing a bike isn't exactly a Mensa candidate. Some people deserve to get ripped off.
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Old 11-26-2013, 05:15 AM   #19
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If you're not willing to walk away, they WILL bone you. Bone you hard, dry and sideways.

It's not a good business model, and becoming worse and worse in the internet age, but it's "how it's done" and a lot of dealers still use it.

If someone isn't willing to do their own research and play hardball, then they should check with their bank, credit union, insurance company, etc., to see if they offer a buyers service. Heck, even Costco offers a buyers service! You won't get the rock bottom lowest price ever, but you will get a fair price.

FWIW, the Lithia Subaru dealer in Spokane, WA, seemed to "get it" and made the sale very easy. I had a price in mind and I emailed them for a OTD quote. The emailed quoted was $1k less than my target price. Wrote back and sealed the deal, went in later to fill out the paperwork. The online sales guy said that his strategy was "lowest price possible, first time, every time" and they made their margins on volume. Apparently the dealer figured online sales weren't going to ignorant chumps and the person contacting them had already "walked away" by never walking in the first place. Overall it was a very positive experience.

And then their was buying my Suzuki DR650. The place I bought my bike from was just okay, but I got 0 down and 0% interests, so I'm not complaining too much. But the Suzuki place in Tacoma and Everett? Eff them! How is making 0 off of no sale better than making something off of an easy sale? Nope, attitude from the sales guy for me being a hassle.

Well, enjoy getting 100% of nothing Suzuki azzwipe salemen.
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Old 11-26-2013, 05:54 AM   #20
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Trust me, they aren't the only ones trying to rip you off. That's the world today. The faster you learn to get your BS radar working in life, the better off you'll be. Hell, in my area a new discount grocery store moved in and all of a sudden the same grocery store that's been hosing me for years "cares" and is discounting the same products I've always bought.

Does anyone care? no, they care about their bottom line and that's fine. But it's easy to read right through the BS. So now I shop at lots of places. Funny thing is that the gourmet meat store has the best prices, are friendly, take requests and are always smiling. I still buy toilet paper at the old place though

all vehicles I purchase are done over the phone or online. Or here. The price is negotiated, deposit made. I walk in, sign, and drive away. Sorry but the business model has changed and I don't feel like amateur sales hour being flung at me for an hour.

PS I'm in sales (not vehicles), but I take pride in giving my customers a fair deal. they know I'm making money, they know I'm saving them money, everyone walks away from the table happy.
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:00 AM   #21
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Trust me, they aren't the only ones trying to rip you off. That's the world today. The faster you learn to get your BS radar working in life, the better off you'll be. Hell, in my area a new discount grocery store moved in and all of a sudden the same grocery store that's been hosing me for years "cares" and is discounting the same products I've always bought.

Does anyone care? no, they care about their bottom line and that's fine. But it's easy to read right through the BS. So now I shop at lots of places. Funny thing is that the gourmet meat store has the best prices, are friendly, take requests and are always smiling. I still buy toilet paper at the old place though

all vehicles I purchase are done over the phone or online. Or here. The price is negotiated, deposit made. I walk in, sign, and drive away. Sorry but the business model has changed and I don't feel like amateur sales hour being flung at me for an hour.

PS I'm in sales (not vehicles), but I take pride in giving my customers a fair deal. they know I'm making money, they know I'm saving them money, everyone walks away from the table happy.
This!

Everybody want's to get rich off of somebody else and not have to do any work for it... This is the world we live in now, and sadly it will never get better. Our children and their children will have less and less.
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Old 11-26-2013, 09:47 AM   #22
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We live in a country where very little product is actually made here anymore, most money is made on a "service". Eventually, it will all catch up that we really produce nothing of value.

Sales tactics are just another "service".
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:04 AM   #23
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The service department is generally the supreme master of this crap. If the customer doesn't know any better, you can always screw 'em, and they leave happy, not knowing you just butt raped them. vThey wouldnt even think twice about throwing the manufacturer under the bus. what do they care, it's not their pockets getting dinged if a customer thinks they bought a lemon...not in the short term at least. So long as the customer "gives them a five rating."
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Old 11-26-2013, 02:39 PM   #24
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It's ironic...

I read this setting at my desk at the car dealership I work for.
No I'm not in sales and totally get what you all are saying.
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Old 11-26-2013, 03:50 PM   #25
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USAA offers a buying service for autos and light trucks.

Who has one for motos?

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Old 11-26-2013, 04:06 PM   #26
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i fucking hate car dealerships.
this ^^^^^

While back rang a dealer I'm unfamiliar with about a car. Lot of BS, radar is pinging hard. I ask the idiot about the price of the car I saw online. He says "uh, well, are you trading a vehicle"? I said "possibly". He says "what do you owe on it"? Long pause... I say "that is immaterial to the original question I asked you, what is the price of the car YOU are selling"? He says "No, it actually can affect the price of the car you want to buy"...

Me... "click".

Idiot... I fucking HATE car dealers.
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Old 11-26-2013, 04:23 PM   #27
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We live in a country where very little product is actually made here anymore,
Not true, watch the first episode of America revealed on pbs, production is at an all time high in this country


I don't like dealing with dealers either, and have walked out of quite a few. I don't think you get screwed if you take the time to educate yourself before you go to one. It still pisses me off to see all the dealer add ons or the huge charge for a "rare" vehicle that you see all the time.
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Old 11-26-2013, 04:45 PM   #28
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When we bought my wife's used Jeep, it had been a week from the time I called about it to the time we could go see it (it was about 1.5 hrs away). I am SO glad I had the foresight to print the internet ad before we left. When the paperwork was presented to us, the Jeep was $1100 more than it had been in the ad. When I called them on it, the salesman looked confused (genuinely). He, of course, had to get the sales manager. His explanation was that it was a 'market adjustment' because it was a 'rare vehicle' and that it would cost them more to replace it with another one.

I asked him to explain how a vehicle sitting on a used car lot goes up in value the longer it sits there. Blank stare. Thanked the sales man for his time and made the move to get up. Incredibly, the price on the printed ad was then honored.

I fucking hate car dealerships.
And you felt good about paying the advertised price on a used vehicle. Score another one for a dealer.

I almost like new car shopping. It's the one time I get to be a dick to someone and not make my wife mad at me.
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Old 11-26-2013, 05:12 PM   #29
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Old 11-26-2013, 05:38 PM   #30
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Ill stick with my 13 year old BMW. It cost 1200 2 years ago, and I've done 40,000 miles in it. If it blows up tomorrow, its still been good value.
Unless it blows up a piece at a time, which is what my 2000 BMW 323Ci did. You can spend a lot of money making $900 decisions.
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