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Old 11-28-2013, 07:08 AM   #31996
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Old 11-28-2013, 07:39 AM   #31997
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Be prepared to drop a little coin on good flat pedals, they can be comparable to clipless. Cheap Vp flats cost as much as cheap Vp clipless and it goes up from there.
One advantage I've come to appreciate after switching from clipless to flats on my mountain bike is that on extremely steep and tricky climbs, flats make it much easier to get going again if you stall out and have to resume pedaling from a dead stop. When you're in the lowest gear, there often isn't enough time to clip the remaining foot back in after the other foot completes half a pedal stroke.

On anything less challenging than expert level trails, I still prefer clipless pedals because of the advantages they confer. It just so happens that all my training at the moment involves mastering the most difficult and dangerous trails, and for that I don't want to be clipped in.
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:53 AM   #31998
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On anything less challenging than expert level trails, I still prefer clipless pedals because of the advantages they confer. It just so happens that all my training at the moment involves mastering the most difficult and dangerous trails, and for that I don't want to be clipped in.
Opinions may vary... For the most technical trails I much prefer being attached to my bike. Makes moving the back wheel around easier among other things.

Once you get good with the clipless you can get in (and out of) em pretty darn quickly. Its just not something you end up thinking about 'cause the legs/feet just kind of do it automatically.

Speaking of attached to the bike: just got in from a '5 Gravel Roads' ride. AKA I went backwards on the last stretch first and then re-rode the same stretch the 'right' way at the end of the ride. Roads were smooth enough that I could've ridden the road bike down em.

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Old 11-28-2013, 03:11 PM   #31999
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One way to train yourself to clipless is to stop at every stop sign, pull a foot out and put it on the ground. After a few hundred of those you'll not even think about it. The guys who used to tip over at the start lines back when I was racing were the ones who didn't stop at stop signs.
Of course we were using tow straps.
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Old 11-28-2013, 03:54 PM   #32000
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I hope I wasn't the only one riding on Turkey Day. Got out for 9.6 miles of singletrack and blasted some previous lap times out of the water. Maybe it was the new Shimano Gore Tex winter shoes that did it. No froze toes today. Of course, I almost fell down while unclipping a couple of times due to installing some unfamiliar cleats just before leaving the house. Aurelius would've been proud.
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Old 11-28-2013, 06:55 PM   #32001
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What model of the Sectuer were you looking at?

This?
The nice thing with that one, other than discs, is the long-cage RD and it's super-low low gear.

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FYI: the Allez is going to be more racy and less versatile. That Sectuer will do almost anything you want to do. The Allez will not accept larger tires for light off-road riding.
Not to mention, the geometry may be way too twitchy for a returning rider. Be sure to ride the Allez and Secteur back-to-back, JoeDuck.
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Old 11-28-2013, 07:47 PM   #32002
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I'm using VP "thin gripsters" on both of my Rivendells, and am very happy. Even on long rides, 50-70 miles in a day, they're comfortable and I like being able to move my feet around - gives my leg muscles a break. For shoes, I found some excellent shot-putt shoes with dead-flat soles, no waffle tread just a slab of rubber. They're also fairly thin, but rubber is stout enough that I don't feel the pedal pins/spikes through the shoes (only on my legs when I'm walking the bike and bang into them).
FWIW, I've been using a pair of 'walking shoes' that have a substantial steel shank in the sole much like a good hiking boot. my Wellgo pin pedals grab onto these like glue, and the shank keeps me from feeling ANY pedal under me. the pedals have a dish that just about matches the curve of the ball of the sole of the shoes.
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Old 11-29-2013, 05:14 AM   #32003
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Not to mention, the geometry may be way too twitchy for a returning rider.
That is what I ment by racy, twitchy might be a better way to put it. The Allez might feel like more fun on a 10 minute test ride but in my opinion, unless you actually plan on racing, the Secteur is the better choice. That bike will do it all.
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Old 11-29-2013, 05:20 AM   #32004
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That is what I ment by racy, twitchy might be a better way to put it. The Allez might feel like more fun on a 10 minute test ride but in my opinion, unless you actually plan on racing, the Secteur is the better choice. That bike will do it all.
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Old 11-29-2013, 07:31 AM   #32005
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That is what I ment by racy, twitchy might be a better way to put it. The Allez might feel like more fun on a 10 minute test ride but in my opinion, unless you actually plan on racing, the Secteur is the better choice. That bike will do it all.
Figured you meant riding position.

Agree with your last thought, as well.

Has your shop gotten in an AWOL, yet?
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Old 11-29-2013, 08:10 AM   #32006
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Has your shop gotten in an AWOL, yet?
I am kind of excited to see this one....
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Old 11-29-2013, 08:30 AM   #32007
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I am kind of excited to see this one....
Yeah, their Trans-Con videos are intriguing. I'd like to get a new bike for '14 and really wanted a Fargo. But, this thing came along. Then, I keep thinking of just getting a Lynskey frameset and disc wheels and swap my Tricross components over. But, there's the Raleigh Tamland, too. Argh!
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Old 11-29-2013, 09:43 AM   #32008
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Yeah, their Trans-Con videos are intriguing. I'd like to get a new bike for '14 and really wanted a Fargo. But, this thing came along. Then, I keep thinking of just getting a Lynskey frameset and disc wheels and swap my Tricross components over. But, there's the Raleigh Tamland, too. Argh!
I LOVE my Fargo. It fits what I use it for perfectly. I tend to be the pack mule when my family goes for a ride and I can pretty much ride it anywhere and it does it really well. I like the new gravel bikes but I need (for now) full rack braze-ons, especially for lowriders.
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Old 11-30-2013, 04:53 PM   #32009
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. It just so happens that all my training at the moment involves mastering the most difficult and dangerous trails, and for that I don't want to be clipped in.
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Old 11-30-2013, 06:26 PM   #32010
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I can't say it was muddy out there this PM but it was certainly slimy. Trails got wet, froze, then started to thaw today. Made for some 'interesting' moments as the 3 of us slip-slid our way around Lake Fairfax.



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