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Old 12-17-2013, 01:44 PM   #84691
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I just bought a 2007 dr650 with 3,700 miles. I bought it from the original owner, it runs great and everything works.

My question is about the NSU screws...

The previous owner never checked them. I just changed the oil, and it was clean and free of metal bits, screws, parts, etc.

What is the actual NSU screw failure rate?? I cant find a clear answer to this.

Should I replace and Loctite the bolts as a precaution, or are most newer bikes OK?

Does the neutral light always/usually stop working before a failure, or does it happen with no warning too? (my light works fine)

Thanks!!
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Old 12-17-2013, 01:50 PM   #84692
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My question is about the NSU screws...



What is the actual NSU screw failure rate?? I cant find a clear answer to this.

Should I replace and Loctite the bolts as a precaution, or are most newer bikes OK?

Does the neutral light always/usually stop working before a failure, or does it happen with no warning too? (my light works fine)

Thanks!!
The light might not always be a good way to tell. If only one screw was to loosen, you might never know.

My estimate would be 80% get loose. you don't have to replace the screws. Just loctite them. easy to do without draining the oil, I just laid the bike on a couple old car tires and went to work. There's several pictorial tutorials that will guide you.
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Old 12-17-2013, 02:18 PM   #84693
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What is the actual NSU screw failure rate?? I cant find a clear answer to this.
The issue isn't really a 'failure rate' type of thing. The problem is that the screws are tightened against the plastic body of the NSU. Engine heat and heat cycling causes the plastic to soften slightly and collapse a little under the pressure of the screws. Once the plastic has deformed the screws are no longer tight. Most riders find 'finger tight' screws. A few riders find a screw is missing or one comes out during an oil change. Mine were barely finger tight when the bike had 300 miles on it.
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Old 12-17-2013, 02:28 PM   #84694
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The issue isn't really a 'failure rate' type of thing. The problem is that the screws are tightened against the plastic body of the NSU. Engine heat and heat cycling causes the plastic to soften slightly and collapse a little under the pressure of the screws. Once the plastic has deformed the screws are no longer tight. Most riders find 'finger tight' screws. A few riders find a screw is missing or one comes out during an oil change. Mine were barely finger tight when the bike had 300 miles on it.
The DR 'kit' I recently acquired had its clutch and other odds and ends nearby destroyed. The missing NSU screw was the likely culprit.
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Old 12-17-2013, 03:14 PM   #84695
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Short answer: Secure them.

Full gammit of answers. I've secured NSU's on 6 DR's and have another in the hopper. It's ranged from secure, to finger tight to "one was on my son-in-laws magnetic drain plug when we removed it".....

Might has well just get it done.
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Old 12-17-2013, 03:45 PM   #84696
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Short answer: Secure them.

Full gammit of answers. I've secured NSU's on 6 DR's and have another in the hopper. It's ranged from secure, to finger tight to "one was on my son-in-laws magnetic drain plug when we removed it".....

Might has well just get it done.
Yeah, if you're thinking about it, do it or worry. I couldn't enjoy the bike till it was done.

Mine were so tight I had to use an impact driver to get them out. Go figure
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Old 12-17-2013, 04:26 PM   #84697
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was produce only and just for the purpose as protection of the dirt from the chain / to does not contaminate civil clothes a girl.

Totally down with that Boz.
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Old 12-17-2013, 04:49 PM   #84698
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The light might not always be a good way to tell. If only one screw was to loosen, you might never know.

My estimate would be 80% get loose. you don't have to replace the screws. Just loctite them. easy to do without draining the oil, I just laid the bike on a couple old car tires and went to work. There's several pictorial tutorials that will guide you.
Would you use blue or red? I can't imagine that I'd ever want to take those bolts out again so I'd think red, but wanted to ask.
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Old 12-17-2013, 04:51 PM   #84699
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Would you use blue or red? I can't imagine that I'd ever want to take those bolts out again so I'd think red, but wanted to ask.

Blue.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:03 PM   #84700
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Saturday morning I'll be picking up my new '13 DR650 and one of the things I'd like to start working on now is locating a spare set of wheels. When i had my DRZ I kept one set of agressive offroad wheels/tires and one set of "50/50" wheels and tires for normal riding. That let me put the miles on my "street" tires and not wear out my dirt tires on my long daily commute (75-80 miles a day)


So, I've read that the DR350 wheels will fit, any particular years?

What other options are there (if any) that are fairly simple plug and play wheels and rotors?

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Old 12-17-2013, 05:37 PM   #84701
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Blue.
agree w/ Steve. I used blue, but I don't own red.

Red scares me.
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Old 12-17-2013, 06:04 PM   #84702
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The issue isn't really a 'failure rate' type of thing. The problem is that the screws are tightened against the plastic body of the NSU. Engine heat and heat cycling causes the plastic to soften slightly and collapse a little under the pressure of the screws. Once the plastic has deformed the screws are no longer tight. Most riders find 'finger tight' screws. A few riders find a screw is missing or one comes out during an oil change. Mine were barely finger tight when the bike had 300 miles on it.
I have never checked mine... I would think the plastic mounting "ears" would have steel or bronze bushings to take the screw forces?

I don't want to read this stuff, I could start to worry! At 40k miles, are we saying I shouldn't feel secure just 'cause it hasn't blwn up yet?
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Old 12-17-2013, 06:16 PM   #84703
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I have never checked mine... At 40k miles, are we saying I shouldn't feel secure just 'cause it hasn't blwn up yet?
they all run great right up till that last second. tick tick.

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Old 12-17-2013, 06:19 PM   #84704
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Old 12-17-2013, 06:26 PM   #84705
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Once I have removed the bronze plug for the fuel screw, I just remove the old screw and screw in the new one? Will I have fuel come out?
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