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Old 01-03-2014, 08:26 PM   #211
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by the way world.honda.com has tons of info buried there you just have to dig thru it
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Old 01-03-2014, 08:28 PM   #212
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The Dio 125 was started in 2010. It's predecessor was the Honda SCR 125 which is almost identical except for a slightly redesigned headlight:



There's also a Honda Fuma 125 which is almost the same as the Dio. It has been made from 2007 to present:

That first one looks a lot like the old elite after it lost it's boxy angleness and went curvy..from the late 80's
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Old 01-04-2014, 01:27 AM   #213
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Wow. That looks a lot like a Kymco Vivio or Easy. Cool. I know Honda rebadged the ZX50 in Europe, and I wonder if that's what they are doing with this in Korea. Do you know where they are made? The engine designation leads me to think they are made in China.
I'm guessing they are made in China but I don't know. I thought my manual was in Japanese but I asked my coworker (originally from Japan) to translate some of it and he said it was Chinese.
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Old 01-04-2014, 01:44 AM   #214
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There is a huge variety of scooters here. I don't know what most of them are. For instance, here's a 2011 Honda that I think looks really nice (plus I like the storage bin up front):

http://info.bikemart.co.kr/trade/fre...ain&page_num=1

That link is basically the autotrader of Korean bikes. You can search for brands or brands with model ("Honda Dio") using the box with the blue surround. Be sure to scroll down for the photos.

ETA: Check out this Suzuki:


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Old 01-04-2014, 03:30 AM   #215
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The Suzuki Gemma. Sex on wheels. Why, oh why can't I get one here in the states?
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Old 01-04-2014, 05:41 AM   #216
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The Suzuki Gemma. Sex on wheels. Why, oh why can't I get one here in the states?
Because the government makes it so expensive to get vehicles certified for the US market? Oh, and cause the Morphous didn't sell. To me, the Morphous looks better than the Gemma.



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Old 01-04-2014, 07:19 AM   #217
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Honda's original version of the "gy6" platform was never imported into the USA that I know of..it was in japan/asia models only from about 30years ago as far as I know, and back then I think the largest they went was under 100cc. Back then Honda and Taiwanese makers (kymco, sym, etc) were still in partnership with each other. I have no idea what the collaboration if any is there between Honda and these companies now.

Honda has two moto factories in China Wuyang and Sundiro and none in Taiwan or Korea. Here is a list of what is made were.


http://world.honda.com/group/manufac..._worldwide.pdf
I see the information, but I don't see any models from 30 years ago that had the GY6 engine in them. What models did? The closest I see is this Honda Dio 125 from Korea with an engine family designation that suggests it comes from China, but without a parts fiche or service manual, it's hard to tell if it is a GY6 or not.
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:07 AM   #218
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I see the information, but I don't see any models from 30 years ago that had the GY6 engine in them. What models did? The closest I see is this Honda Dio 125 from Korea with an engine family designation that suggests it comes from China, but without a parts fiche or service manual, it's hard to tell if it is a GY6 or not.
Doesn't really matter anyway. It's a great engine design. If China designed it and the Japanese then adopted it that makes it even more incredible.

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Old 01-04-2014, 09:33 AM   #219
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Doesn't really matter anyway. It's a great engine design. If China designed it and the Japanese then adopted it that makes it even more incredible.

That looks very much like a GY6. Is there a way to get photos from above and the other side? Do you know what size belt it takes?
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Doesn't matter if it is or isn't gy6 because the reality of the matter is that there are only so many ways to configure it. Things are bound to look the same and once in a while some parts fit that wasn't intended.
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That looks very much like a GY6. Is there a way to get photos from above and the other side? Do you know what size belt it takes?
No, I just grabbed that photo off the net. It looks similar to mine but not exactly the same.

My manual doesn't say anything about the drive belt. Well, it does say to inspect it every 8k kilometers and replace it every 24k kilometers. I think the belt size would vary anyway since the length of the arm varies depending on the size of the wheel used on the scooter.

Pic of my engine:

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Old 01-05-2014, 06:35 AM   #222
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Doesn't matter if it is or isn't gy6 because the reality of the matter is that there are only so many ways to configure it. Things are bound to look the same and once in a while some parts fit that wasn't intended.
When I look at that motor I see its derivation from some of the old Lambrettas. Horizontal forward cylinder with a drive system out to the rear wheel, with the entire assembly hinged. I find it interesting that even though Vespa outlasted Lambretta, it is the basic Lambretta configuration that dominates scooters today. Better weight distribution.
http://www.scooterhelp.com/tips/engi...am.clutch3.jpg http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...k/RIMG0492.jpg
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:13 PM   #223
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Better weight distribution.

I think you meant lower cost to produce. Unsprung weight is not better. 60% or more of the weight at the rear of the scooter is not better.
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:38 PM   #224
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I think you meant lower cost to produce. Unsprung weight is not better. 60% or more of the weight at the rear of the scooter is not better.
I must not have been clear. Looking at the configuration of the Lambretta compared to the older Vespa powerplants, the Lambretta seems to have a better weight distribution than the Vespa. The Lambretta tries to minimize the imbalance by placing weight in front of the pivot as well as behind it, while the Vespa has more mass in the rear, and all on one side. I think that might be why modern scooters chose to go the same way Lambretta did, even though Vespa outlived Lambretta.
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:45 PM   #225
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A Vespa (vintage) has terrible weight distribution. I have done unintentional wheelies on my Stella leaving stop lights several times. Not because it has a lot of power, but because most of the weight is over the rear tire, The 2 stroke engine has a peaky powerband, and first gear is very low. These scooters definitely require a different style of riding than a CVT scooter.
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