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Old 01-29-2014, 01:25 PM   #1
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Hard or soft armor for off road.

Hi now that soft armor is been out for a while what are the pro cons of using it off road.
Im not a pro so I wont be flying over gnarly stuff. Mostly I go slow.

My terrain desert rocks, small big you name it. Sharp edges flat etc.

What would protect better on a slow fall with bike on top and hard semi big rocks under.
Jump over handlebar land on the gnarly terrain.
etc..

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Old 01-29-2014, 06:31 PM   #2
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What armor to wear is a really tough call. The more you have on the better protected you will be, that seems obvious. But too much and you'll just quit riding: you'll be slow and hot and it will take 1/2 hour to get ready to ride and your buddies will be long gone down the trail. Wear too little and you run the risk of ending up like me, in the hospital my whole vacation. I had a great first hour or riding but it ended there.

You question of whether to go with soft or hard is personal choice, usually based on experience. I like the hard shell stuff like a chest protector from Leatt, the 5.5 Pro HD, or the Alpinestars A-8. I find them comfortable and they will take a big hit before you have to. Two other pieces of armor that will fit more like the hard shell stuff are the bull riders vest and TekVest for snowmobile racers.

The new technology soft armor that hardens up on impact, D3O is one brand and Leatt has something similar, is good stuff too. It is soft and comfortable and cool but it won't protect you nearly as well as the hard shell in certain kinds of crashes. There have been tests posted on U-tube of guys smacking each other with a cast iron frying pan, with a D3O pad on one elbow and a hard shell w/ liner guard on the other. They have all rated the hard shelled pad better, less painful. I haven't tried that test personally, but I have the Fox Launch hard pad and 661 D3O elbow pads and I've smacked them into door frames hard, ouch hard, and the shelled Fox pad hurts less. I take that to mean it protects better. But the soft pads are more comfortable to wear. I'm going in circles?

And how you land, and what lands on you, is going to have everything to do with how you come out of it. Soft pads generally don't have strong abrasion resistance fabric coverings, they are made to be lightweight for max comfort. So I can see my 661 pads being good for one hard sliding crash and then they're shredded. A hard shell will have some really kool looking scratch marks in it, the kind that make great story telling around the camp fire.

I like the hard shell stuff better. I'd rather be hot than hospitalized. YMMV

Have you looked at this post on ARMOR ? It's gotten long but I think the quality of input for so many guys is really valuable.
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Old 01-30-2014, 05:53 AM   #3
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Tekvest for body core protection!
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Old 01-30-2014, 12:23 PM   #4
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Tekvest for body core protection!


Tekrider's got some new dualsport-oriented gear coming out. Rather than the "360-degreee" protection, they've scaled back the armor on the back and ventilated the shit out of the chest/sides/back. So you've got great airflow, 270-coverage for wearing a pack, and they're cut taller for standing-up riding.

I've got one of these new vests enroute to me and will do a review when I get some time in it.

For dualsport riding, this may be the ticket; it may even replace my freestyle.

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Old 01-30-2014, 01:43 PM   #5
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Hard/sharp surfaces -> hard armor
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Old 01-30-2014, 02:52 PM   #6
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Hard/sharp surfaces -> hard armor
UHMW = Flexy (read: comfortable), yet impact/puncture/abrasion resistant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-h...t_polyethylene

The stuff works.
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Old 01-31-2014, 02:32 PM   #7
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thanks.
That tekvest does look nice so it feel more like a body armor? police type.
I wonder when it be for sale, and how would look their new dual sport model. and $ how much

I need armor now

Would this ones be okay. I was looking at this type of armor one piece have almost all the protection.

troy lee design shock doctor 7855-HW
http://www.btosports.com/p/TLDBP7855...%3Fq%3D7855-HW

Leatt 3df Air fit
http://www.btosports.com/p/leatt-3df...520AirfitLeatt

Leatt Adventure Body Protector
http://www.btosports.com/p/LEATT-ADVENTURE-BODY-PROTECTOR?utm_expid=10313653-9.zUptYZhWQoCem67ipykHEA.0&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.btosports.com%2Fcs%2 Fsearch%3Fq%3Dleatt%2520body%2520armo

But then would this type have to be wash everyday? or just air out?
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Old 01-31-2014, 03:06 PM   #8
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https://www.xtremesledparts.com/crossover-tekvest.html
or the freestyle I've been wearing: https://www.xtremesledparts.com/cata...le/category/5/
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Old 02-01-2014, 02:18 PM   #9
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I tried on the leatt airfit last week and it was the most comfortable armor have ever worn. Also the reviews say its a LOT less hot in warm weather.
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Old 02-01-2014, 02:35 PM   #10
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I use a Tekvest Rally max.

The crossover looks pretty good.

SnowMule, thanks for the link. Tekrider web site does not list the Crossover.

Does the current model shoulder protection fit with the new crossover? YES IT DOES (I just read it in the description ...)
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All their detachable shoulder pads will work with various vests of the same size. May even be able to go 1 size with them and still make them work. Colors/patterns might not match though, if that's of any importance to you.

The crossover is their newest vest. Not a lot of publicity on them yet.

Rather than a "one size fits most" approach, tekrider makes their gear in multiple sizes so you get something that fits.
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Old 02-01-2014, 03:29 PM   #12
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wow now im more interested in those tekvest. even that I do like the TLD shock armor looks.

So what models would be a no go on hot summers 95* F plus
http://www.tekrider.com/rs_01.html
http://www.tekrider.com/fs_megasport.html
http://www.tekrider.com/fs_offroadlite.html
http://www.tekrider.com/fs_offroadmax.html
http://tekrider.com/rm_1.html
http://www.tekrider.com/ps_or_05.html
https://www.xtremesledparts.com/crossover-tekvest.html I assume this one already goes to the second round with all the airflow they mention on that page

at least that would eliminate some from the list.
Also do all of them have UHMW, is that attached to all the foams or only in some areas?
their page dont specify.
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Old 02-01-2014, 04:40 PM   #13
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They're all UHMW with closed-cell foam on either side. Kinda what makes a Tekvest a Tekvest.


Some gear, like my race vest, have that internal armor with an additional UHMW layer on front/back.
While it adds protection, it also adds heat. On snowmobiles it's a lot less of an issue, and I'd rather have the protection there.
I upgraded to the race vest from my Freestyle on the snow because the chest plate is solid. Under the freestyle's zipper, there's a gap in armor about 2" along the center of your chest. Got a lot of bruises there.




For warm-weather summer riding, I'd go with the freestyle or crossover. Those have the most ventilation of what they offer, where the rally sport vests are designed more for protection than ventilation.

Like I said, I've got the Crossover on its way to me, so we'll see how that does after I get some time in it. Having had my Freestyle for ~7yrs now, my race vest for ~5, and an assortment of other gear/vests of theirs through the years... the crossover looks like the best-features of what they offer for summer riding.

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Old 02-01-2014, 04:53 PM   #14
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Not sure, but it seems that the crossover does not have back protection as it is intended to wear with a backpack. Am I wrong ?

Quote from product description:
  • Rear armor foam panel removed to increase air flow while wearing a back pack
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Old 02-01-2014, 05:49 PM   #15
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I wondered the same thing and looking at the pic it looks like the back is just a piece of plastic with some holes in it. TekVest have always been really protective so this seems like a big change of direction for them. I guess we need to wait for SnowMule's review when he gets his. I'm really interested in the Crossover also.
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