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Old 02-10-2014, 09:28 PM   #16
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Gotta protect my hands, broken hands don't tune too well.
As for the 690 I could be incorrect, sorry for the confusion.


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Old 02-10-2014, 09:51 PM   #17
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Gotta protect my hands, broken hands don't tune too well.
As for the 690 I could be incorrect, sorry for the confusion.


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Raise the limit to 655cc and the KTM 690 wouldn't be included in the ADV class. If the limit is 652cc (like last year) then the 690 qualifies with 2cc to spare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTM_690_Enduro

Might be best to make the ADV class multi cylinder AND greater than 652cc.
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:33 PM   #18
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Raise the limit to 655cc and the KTM 690 wouldn't be included in the ADV class. If the limit is 652cc (like last year) then the 690 qualifies with 2cc to spare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTM_690_Enduro

Might be best to make the ADV class multi cylinder AND greater than 652cc.
keep it as is at 652 which includes the 690
The rule was put in place to keep the xr out, unfortunately it also kills the KLR by default, not plan. not sure how else it could be done.
an Aprillia 450, 550 are twins, but not ADV bikes.
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Old 02-11-2014, 04:30 AM   #19
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....... I am on the fence of doing this, as always. I might be willing to thrash myself this year...
You gotta do it.
You're one of the crazy bastids that talked me into this kinda stuff in the first place
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Old 02-11-2014, 04:33 AM   #20
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keep it as is at 652 which includes the 690
The rule was put in place to keep the xr out, unfortunately it also kills the KLR by default, not plan. not sure how else it could be done.
an Aprillia 450, 550 are twins, but not ADV bikes.
What's so different about the XR compared to the 690? Similar weight, about 310 lbs. Similar power too.....isn't it?
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:09 AM   #21
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keep it as is at 652 which includes the 690
The rule was put in place to keep the xr out, unfortunately it also kills the KLR by default, not plan. not sure how else it could be done.
an Aprillia 450, 550 are twins, but not ADV bikes.
Tweaking rules to keep the 690 out is a moot point as they aren't dominating the class, so far not even a podium finish. There are always going to be bikes with a big advantage over others in a class like this. A BMW 1200GSA in the same class as a KTM 950 SE? That's crazy and certainly not a fair fight but seems to me the whole point of this class is racing with the wrong equipment and doing it with a big smile on your race.

Being that it's a struggle to find enough guys wanting to race, why not open up the rules or make exceptions. Keep the 652cc min but wave it for certain bikes like the KLR650, 650 V-Strom, DR650 (others?).
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:41 AM   #22
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What's so different about the XR compared to the 690? Similar weight, about 310 lbs. Similar power too.....isn't it?
Don't get me wrong, anybody, I could care less who races in the ADV class, nor could I care less if I finish on the podium and a 690 does. It just seems a bit rude to include the 690, and not include a KLR or XR650.

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Tweaking rules to keep the 690 out is a moot point .......
......seems to me the whole point of this class is racing with the wrong equipment and doing it with a big smile on your race.
This ^^^^^

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Being that it's a struggle to find enough guys wanting to race, why not open up the rules or make exceptions. Keep the 652cc min but wave it for certain bikes like the KLR650, 650 V-Strom, DR650 (others?).
KLR & DL650 & 1000 V-Strom sure seem like Adventure bikes to me.
They are often seen full of luggage...
...and often purchased for the purpose of what WE call Adventure Touring
(WABDR, OBCDR etc,...as compared to what ex-Harley guys call Adv Touring...).

The XR, 690E, and DR650, not as much.
But whatevah....LET'S RIDE !!!!!
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:57 AM   #23
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I would say keep things the way they are. Build interest first then when 20-30 adv bikes are lined up with 690's filling the podium, the rules could be tweaked. The KLR isn't as weak as you would think. A friend would ride his clapped out KLR to enduros, RACE the enduro, get top 5 in DS class, then ride home. I would agree XR650 is not adv since it won Baja how many times?
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:26 AM   #24
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Youll never please everyone on this, I think the rule is a good one.
A guy would be a fool to race their gs1200. Riding the poker run is one thing a real race at pace is quite another.
fact is an XR is a dirt bike never licensed for the street and a Baja killer. that bike is the single reason for the 652 cc rule.
A 690 KTM is not even in the same league as a XR650R The most winning bike in Baja.
I don't really care, Ill race against any bike, but if there are guys getting butt hurt, maybe 700 cc should be the target.
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Old 02-11-2014, 01:57 PM   #25
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Youll never please everyone on this, I think the rule is a good one.
A guy would be a fool to race their gs1200. Riding the poker run is one thing a real race at pace is quite another.
fact is an XR is a dirt bike never licensed for the street and a Baja killer. that bike is the single reason for the 652 cc rule.
A 690 KTM is not even in the same league as a XR650R The most winning bike in Baja.
I don't really care, Ill race against any bike, but if there are guys getting butt hurt, maybe 700 cc should be the target.
I totally understand the interest in excluding the XR650R. I don't think anyone is arguing that it should be allowed. As you said it's unfortunate that simply using a CC guideline excludes some that are clearly ADV bikes. The KLR is arguably the most popular and iconic ADV bike on the planet so it's too bad it's excluded because it's lacking a few CCs.

I've competed in lots of things and helped organize and set up several others too. It's a lot of work and you're right, you'll never please everyone but the fact that people want to debate the rules and details means people are interested and that's never a bad thing IMO.

I'm just happy the StumpJumpers acknowledge there are those of us that want to race our big fat bikes and gives us an opportunity to do it.
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Old 02-12-2014, 07:56 AM   #26
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652cc rules stands for 2014.

Any bike with displacement greater than 652cc qualifies for the adv class.

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Old 02-12-2014, 09:18 AM   #27
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So if I install a 685 kit in my KLR I could race it?
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Old 02-12-2014, 09:21 AM   #28
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So if I install a 685 kit in my KLR I could race it?
685? Just buy this: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/25398/...timidator.aspx
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Old 02-12-2014, 09:53 AM   #29
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So if I install a 685 kit in my KLR I could race it?

I'm pretty sure the number is for factory displacement. But there are plenty of other classes to race it in.
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Although labelled 690 the displacement for bikes from 2008-2011 is actually 654cc. In 2012 KTM introduced a true 690cc 690. Other 2012 changes included an improved headlight and inclusion of a tachometer. In 2014, ABS brakes (front and rear) were made a standard feature.[2]
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