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Old 10-07-2013, 06:06 AM   #136
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If you go after that I would be interested in motor parts. The heads and crank especially. Maybe front end, tank, and final drive, too. Hell I could use all of it for spares.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:39 PM   #137
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If you go after that I would be interested in motor parts. The heads and crank especially. Maybe front end, tank, and final drive, too. Hell I could use all of it for spares.
Those heads look pretty beat up. Looks like some "chunks" missing.
What is that thing?...WW2 era you think?
I was thinking maybe the 50's.... but it has the "reversed" handle bar levers. The Serial # stampings were real large & crude looking. But weren't in Chinese anyway.
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:35 AM   #138
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Those heads look pretty beat up. Looks like some "chunks" missing.
What is that thing?...WW2 era you think?
I was thinking maybe the 50's.... but it has the "reversed" handle bar levers. The Serial # stampings were real large & crude looking. But weren't in Chinese anyway.
It's an early 50s or maybe even 40s Soviet M72.
They were derived from the BMW R71 before WW2, under license from the Germans. There's another story that the Soviets stole a few bikes and reverse engineered them. They made them up until the early 60s, I think.

Here's mine, an IMZ M72M, 1956:


Mine is a collection of parts from different years, and also between IMZ and KMZ, the two manufacturers that made M72s after the war.

That specimen in the barn is looks to be much more original. The over-fender rigid sidecar wheel setup is really early, as are the fenders. Shame it's been left out to rust. If you could get it cheap enough and wanted a project, you can scrounge parts in Europe and off Ebay. They are still mostly available, although getting scarcer. The M72s have become collectible because they're still inexpensive enough that the average guy can build a cool "classic" bike without being a zillionaire.

Wish I wasn't on the right coast!
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Old 10-08-2013, 05:43 PM   #139
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Hey Don...that was an old Russian Rig I found over outside San Diego a couple years ago. The owner thought it was a BMW, he acquired it when he bought some property. I have the guys phone # somewhere. I think he was pretty "proud" of the hulk...said he turned down a $2000.00 offer a couple years earlier. With that in mind I never persued the matter any further.
Everything there was pretty rough. Not sure of the actual value. Definately more than I was willing to "bite off".

Update: Don, I deleted the guys phone number but I dug through my old e-mails and found the guys E address....he was adament that the whole pile went together, wouldn't sell just the hack frame. I had asked him about selling the frame seperately a couple years ago. PM me if you wish, and I'll send you over the guys e-mail address. He may have had a change of heart in the past couple years.

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The "Hack" wheel was there too:









Whacker, send me what ever contact info you have left and I'll see what I can pull off.

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Old 10-09-2013, 07:11 AM   #140
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I would love to see someone buy that whole lot and restore the bike. It looks complete. Too bad it's all been exposed for so long, but these things are all sloppy tolerances and rough castings. It's amazing what can be brought back to serviceable state just by cleaning and rust removal. They are more like farm equipment than motorcycles.

Looks like the only thing missing is the tub. Was that there?

Otherwise, I suppose "some must die so that others might live"
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:40 PM   #141
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Whacker, send me what ever contact info you have left and I'll see what I can pull off.

Don in Nipomo
I did some digging and found the guys phone #...I'll PM it over to you.........PM sent.
I would love to take on a project like that but I have enough trouble keeping what I have going.....plus I just picked up another later model derelict BMW project.
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Old 10-11-2013, 05:06 PM   #142
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Great to see this thread still going!
I sold my GU a year or so ago but man I need back in!
My two wheel addiction is set (T100)
Now it's time to get another (well used hack) for winter use
... Long term goal... Get that Zundapp KS one day!

One day. Closest one to me now is in our local War Muesum..
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Old 02-22-2014, 04:55 AM   #143
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Great to see this thread still going!
I sold my GU a year or so ago but man I need back in!
My two wheel addiction is set (T100)
Now it's time to get another (well used hack) for winter use
... Long term goal... Get that Zundapp KS one day!

One day. Closest one to me now is in our local War Muesum..
Bump!

And over in Regional Rorums: Europe.

This:



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Old 03-24-2014, 12:21 PM   #144
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Thanks David
Looks Great!!
May have some news soon....
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Old 05-18-2014, 12:50 PM   #145
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Rare War time hack

I was at a Military vehicle show at the weekend, Militracks at Overloon in Holland.

First time I had seen one of these machines in the flesh.




This is a French Gnome et Rhone AX2. A purpose built military bike with sidecar drive and reverse. Said to be the inspiration behind the German Zundapp KS750 and BMW R75. Production was maintained for a period after France fell.

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Old 05-18-2014, 02:14 PM   #146
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Great find.
Looks like a solid rig. The frame must have inspired the folks at Zundapp!
The rig looks in good shape But a chore to scare up spares?

Was that a 'Krad parked beside.....




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I was at a Military vehicle show at the weekend, Militracks at Overloon in Holland.

First time I had seen one of these machines in the flesh.




This is a French Gnome et Rhone AX2. A purpose built military bike with sidecar drive and reverse. Said to be the inspiration behind the German Zundapp KS750 and BMW R75. Production was maintained for a period after France fell.

David
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Old 05-19-2014, 12:18 AM   #147
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The rig looks in good shape But a chore to scare up spares?

Was that a 'Krad parked beside.....
Spares were a huge problem but there is a guy in Poland making parts, including full replica sidecar frame/boats!

That "Krad" is actually a SdKfz 10 Half-track like this:

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Old 05-19-2014, 04:25 PM   #148
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I've got to get over to Europe some day and see these things (and places) in person. Thanks for sharing David
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