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Old 02-26-2014, 02:09 PM   #11311
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Thanks.

I wonder. Is there any BMW that does that?
Because there MUST be a BMW that does that, else where did the bad copy/paste came from?
My F800GS does a full sweep on startup. My R1200GS does not. My manual doesn't mention it (Rev 4) so it's possible the Rev 1 or 2 models did the sweep but it was removed in a subsequent software update before the manual was updated correspondingly.
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Old 08-30-2014, 09:58 AM   #11312
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2014 1200GSA Surging

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I have over 20,000 km's on my new 2014 1200GSA and noticed the surging issue in 2nd & 3rd gear, light load and 2,000 to 4,000 RPM range. Just happens to be where I spend a lot of time and it took a while for anyone to even acknowledge that the problem exists.

After asking my amazing local dealer to run my complaint further "up the food chain" with BMW in Canada, I received a response from BMW Germany ...imagine!!! They acknowledged it is an issue related to strict emission requirements and at the moment there is no fix, but they are working on it. I was very pleased with that quick reply .... ah ha, I'm not imagining things.

Absolutely love my new moto, this is my 3rd 1200GSA. Amazing how it tracks in the dirt and the seat is plush and cruise control is the best. Have taken it into some real gnarly stuff in Mexico and then a most unbelievable journey through BC, Yukon and Alaska.

Oh, and by the way, I'm not waiting for a BMW fix .... I installed a Power Commander and I have my bike back ... it is dreamy smooth and fuel economy improved by about 10% (using the European Map)
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Old 08-30-2014, 10:22 AM   #11313
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Note to self: Add commander to WGS too.
Indeed my GS with commander is more fuel efficient (contrary to popular belief).
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Old 08-30-2014, 01:11 PM   #11314
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Hello,

I have over 20,000 km's on my new 2014 1200GSA and noticed the surging issue in 2nd & 3rd gear, light load and 2,000 to 4,000 RPM range. Just happens to be where I spend a lot of time and it took a while for anyone to even acknowledge that the problem exists.

After asking my amazing local dealer to run my complaint further "up the food chain" with BMW in Canada, I received a response from BMW Germany ...imagine!!! They acknowledged it is an issue related to strict emission requirements and at the moment there is no fix, but they are working on it. I was very pleased with that quick reply .... ah ha, I'm not imagining things.

Absolutely love my new moto, this is my 3rd 1200GSA. Amazing how it tracks in the dirt and the seat is plush and cruise control is the best. Have taken it into some real gnarly stuff in Mexico and then a most unbelievable journey through BC, Yukon and Alaska.

Oh, and by the way, I'm not waiting for a BMW fix .... I installed a Power Commander and I have my bike back ... it is dreamy smooth and fuel economy improved by about 10% (using the European Map)

WTF! A response from the mother ship, no, can't be, you're either hallucinating or dreaming!

Or could we be witnessing a big change in the way BMW does business. I've seen other encouraging signs from them recently: 2014 RT recall was well done, extended fuel strip warranty to 12 years, finally a recall on the fuel flange/punp issue. Well, I'm hoping this is the new BMW, only time will tell.

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Old 08-30-2014, 01:45 PM   #11315
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Hello,

I have over 20,000 km's on my new 2014 1200GSA and noticed the surging issue in 2nd & 3rd gear, light load and 2,000 to 4,000 RPM range. Just happens to be where I spend a lot of time and it took a while for anyone to even acknowledge that the problem exists.

After asking my amazing local dealer to run my complaint further "up the food chain" with BMW in Canada, I received a response from BMW Germany ...imagine!!! They acknowledged it is an issue related to strict emission requirements and at the moment there is no fix, but they are working on it. I was very pleased with that quick reply .... ah ha, I'm not imagining things.

Absolutely love my new moto, this is my 3rd 1200GSA. Amazing how it tracks in the dirt and the seat is plush and cruise control is the best. Have taken it into some real gnarly stuff in Mexico and then a most unbelievable journey through BC, Yukon and Alaska.

Oh, and by the way, I'm not waiting for a BMW fix .... I installed a Power Commander and I have my bike back ... it is dreamy smooth and fuel economy improved by about 10% (using the European Map)
Thanks for the info...my dealer just told me it's normal and didn't raise the issue. So does the power commander come with the euro map? I thought you had to dyno and have custom map made...so if it's plug and play I'd like to look into it. Do you have a link or can you provide more details on what's involved?
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Old 08-30-2014, 02:21 PM   #11316
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Yes, although it seems like it takes forever for them to cancel at least on my bike.
The trick is to turn them on sooner.
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Old 08-30-2014, 03:10 PM   #11317
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Hello,

I have over 20,000 km's on my new 2014 1200GSA and noticed the surging issue in 2nd & 3rd gear, light load and 2,000 to 4,000 RPM range. Just happens to be where I spend a lot of time and it took a while for anyone to even acknowledge that the problem exists.

After asking my amazing local dealer to run my complaint further "up the food chain" with BMW in Canada, I received a response from BMW Germany ...imagine!!! They acknowledged it is an issue related to strict emission requirements and at the moment there is no fix, but they are working on it. I was very pleased with that quick reply .... ah ha, I'm not imagining things.

Absolutely love my new moto, this is my 3rd 1200GSA. Amazing how it tracks in the dirt and the seat is plush and cruise control is the best. Have taken it into some real gnarly stuff in Mexico and then a most unbelievable journey through BC, Yukon and Alaska.

Oh, and by the way, I'm not waiting for a BMW fix .... I installed a Power Commander and I have my bike back ... it is dreamy smooth and fuel economy improved by about 10% (using the European Map)
Mine didn’t experience the surging until I got home from my last trip (2,500 miles around Europe) - then I started noticing a slight amount of surging around 30mph in 3rd gear which occurred also on cruise control. It was due for a service anyway so I mentioned it when I brought it in and asked them to take it for a test ride before carrying out the service.

The only other thing I mentioned was that the Gear Shift Assist Pro seemed to miss the odd shift when conditions were correct (maybe 1 in 100).

I’m not sure what they did besides the usual things for a 6k service - it’s possible new firmware was installed on the bike - but both the surging and GSAP issues are now 100% resolved, and the bike has run like clockwork since.

I suspect ECE and DOT models have slightly different emissions standards, but if they have resolved it here (and if it was indeed a firmware update), they should have a resolution for yours soon as well. Fingers crossed!
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Old 08-30-2014, 07:18 PM   #11318
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This new model is slowly winning me over, but after my whirlwind affair with the F800GS, and subsequent falling out of love, and then back in love....well....I want to make sure the 1200 is the one for me before I go spending ridiculous amounts of money.

I like the feel and the ride. What I don't like is the stigma of final drive failures from the previous model. Now I fully understand that these were limited in numbers, and statistically they likely fall into the "expected warranty failure rates", but seeing as I'll be travelling in remote areas fully loaded I'm just a little too paranoid about these pics of final drive failures from the older model that my "friends" keep sending me every time I mention a GSA/WC.

Did BMW dramatically change the final drive setup, or is it basically just a mirror image of the previous models? Did they change the way the bearing is preloaded?

My poor little F800 has been used and abused, and to be fair has done very well. There are niggling little failures, and some items that need regular intervention and maintenance to keep the thing rolling...and there are what I would call some basic design failures. But overall it does a lot of things reasonably well.

2 up fully loaded back road touring.....not so much. Hence the desire for the 1200 GSA/WC. I found the 1200 much more comfortable for just cruising around on. The extra performance is nice too.

Not a fan of the electronic complexity from a "off road failure" point of view. Although the F800 has proved mostly to be electronically reliable...except for the charging system....the ABS...the gear position indicator...aside from those failures it's been fine.
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:08 PM   #11319
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Snowy.... My 8GS is now completely stock, with all the extras ready to hit the flea market. I take delivery of my new 12GS Trading this Tuesday. I will let ya know how it goes.
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:29 PM   #11320
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This new model is slowly winning me over, but after my whirlwind affair with the F800GS, and subsequent falling out of love, and then back in love....well....I want to make sure the 1200 is the one for me before I go spending ridiculous amounts of money.

I like the feel and the ride. What I don't like is the stigma of final drive failures from the previous model. Now I fully understand that these were limited in numbers, and statistically they likely fall into the "expected warranty failure rates", but seeing as I'll be travelling in remote areas fully loaded I'm just a little too paranoid about these pics of final drive failures from the older model that my "friends" keep sending me every time I mention a GSA/WC.

Did BMW dramatically change the final drive setup, or is it basically just a mirror image of the previous models? Did they change the way the bearing is preloaded?

My poor little F800 has been used and abused, and to be fair has done very well. There are niggling little failures, and some items that need regular intervention and maintenance to keep the thing rolling...and there are what I would call some basic design failures. But overall it does a lot of things reasonably well.

2 up fully loaded back road touring.....not so much. Hence the desire for the 1200 GSA/WC. I found the 1200 much more comfortable for just cruising around on. The extra performance is nice too.

Not a fan of the electronic complexity from a "off road failure" point of view. Although the F800 has proved mostly to be electronically reliable...except for the charging system....the ABS...the gear position indicator...aside from those failures it's been fine.
Maaaaate! Don't worry about final drives on GSW's. I think they used a variation of the FD from the K1600?

You only have to worry about blown engines, gearbox's, cam chain issues and inoperative switchgear. That old final drive problem era is apparently well and truly behind us.
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Old 08-31-2014, 12:39 AM   #11321
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Maaaaate! Don't worry about final drives on GSW's. I think they used a variation of the FD from the K1600?



You only have to worry about blown engines, gearbox's, cam chain issues and inoperative switchgear. That old final drive problem era is apparently well and truly behind us.

Or just get an aug 2013 or later build and just ride the bloody thing without worry.
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Old 08-31-2014, 04:19 AM   #11322
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Hahahaha, good stuff.

Erling, are you planning on being a beta tester for the big girl too?
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Hahahaha, good stuff.

Erling, are you planning on being a beta tester for the big girl too?
I am. I talked with rekluse, and they are so blown away by the Harley guys. They had no idea their auto clutch would take off so fast on the big v twins. That being said, the Rekluse is in the drawing state at the moment for the 12GS, but I am expecting to be involved in the beta testing on this one as well. Just imagine the combo of the low end 12GS torque, and an auto clutch.....
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Old 08-31-2014, 05:49 AM   #11324
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Hello,

I have over 20,000 km's on my new 2014 1200GSA and noticed the surging issue in 2nd & 3rd gear, light load and 2,000 to 4,000 RPM range. Just happens to be where I spend a lot of time and it took a while for anyone to even acknowledge that the problem exists.

After asking my amazing local dealer to run my complaint further "up the food chain" with BMW in Canada, I received a response from BMW Germany ...imagine!!! They acknowledged it is an issue related to strict emission requirements and at the moment there is no fix, but they are working on it. I was very pleased with that quick reply .... ah ha, I'm not imagining things.

Absolutely love my new moto, this is my 3rd 1200GSA. Amazing how it tracks in the dirt and the seat is plush and cruise control is the best. Have taken it into some real gnarly stuff in Mexico and then a most unbelievable journey through BC, Yukon and Alaska.

Oh, and by the way, I'm not waiting for a BMW fix .... I installed a Power Commander and I have my bike back ... it is dreamy smooth and fuel economy improved by about 10% (using the European Map)
Seems you ride like I do, but I don't have any surging but would really like better fuel mileage. Do you have fuel burn figures before and after install. I struggle to get better than 5 lt per 100km but I am 2 up.

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Old 08-31-2014, 07:25 AM   #11325
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2 up fully loaded back road touring.....not so much. Hence the desire for the 1200 GSA/WC. I found the 1200 much more comfortable for just cruising around on. The extra performance is nice too.

Not a fan of the electronic complexity from a "off road failure" point of view. Although the F800 has proved mostly to be electronically reliable...except for the charging system....the ABS...the gear position indicator...aside from those failures it's been fine.
Snowy,

I also just moved from the F800GS to the R1200GSA. I had just under 60K on my F800 and I was beginning to question whether I would get another 4years and 60K from it, plus once I did a test ride on the GSA I was sold.

My wife rode on the GSA last night for the first time. She didn't think it was any more comfty, and she felt like she was up higher and she got more heat off of the exhaust but not unbearable. When I looked around to do a u turn, I was surprised myself at how high up she seemed. I think we both miss my amazing Corbin seat from the F8. As the pilot though, I could feel the difference, especially with the ESA. It rode nice.

I also notice the surging in 2nd gear and not as much in 3rd. I'm glad to find out that I wasn't imagining things. I live in the desert and my dirt rode was washed out a couple of weeks ago. I sure miss the F800 in the soft sand.
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