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Old 03-10-2014, 08:40 PM   #4336
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I don't really want a large dirt bike, I want an adventure bike, and to me that's 70/30. Mostly paved highways and backroads, with dirt roads/fire roads, and very few, if any, goat trails. Think the Wee is a good fit for me, though I do think I will get a Scotts damper..

Sounds like the right tool for the job....Rode a Strom for a 2 up Baja trip, and was able to get through the sand and some off road adequately.

70/30 good choice.

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Old 03-10-2014, 09:27 PM   #4337
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Sure enough but it wasn't a philosophical point I was trying to make. Merely expressing that the Stroms are not designed to handle the conditions the OP described. Thus, the trouble he ran into can be easily identified. He can most certainly still have fun on the little Sazook but it will never handle like a real DS, steering damper or not.
In all honesty, wasn't planning on that. My father has a lot of equipment to maintain his road including a bulldozer, he just hasn't done anything to it yet. A damper won't allow me to ride it like a dirt bike, but it will allow me to get down some sketchy trails at low speeds. Which is how I take any terrain like that. Even on dirt bikes, I don't really like high speed stuff. I may be a youngin' but my bones hurt every time it rains...

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Sounds like the right tool for the job....Rode a Strom for a 2 up Baja trip, and was able to get through the sand and some off road adequately.

70/30 good choice.

When your ready to let it rip.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-6XbJ4ZBk0
Nope... I don't know if it's the wide angle of the Go-pro, or if they're really going that fast, but even when I used to ride a KLX I don't think I'd do speeds like that. Guess my PTSD does more than I thought.
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Old 03-11-2014, 12:30 AM   #4338
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Sure enough but it wasn't a philosophical point I was trying to make. Merely expressing that the Stroms are not designed to handle the conditions the OP described. Thus, the trouble he ran into can be easily identified. He can most certainly still have fun on the little Sazook but it will never handle like a real DS, steering damper or not.
Unfortunately neither will a F800GS be a pure dual sport bike, and for the money the Vstrom is a much better buy when you get right down to it. Even after you take the full specifications from both adventure models adventure ABS ect, top speed, MPG, weight handling, reliability/temperaments/parts availability. The Vstrom is a very solid choice.
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Old 03-11-2014, 05:58 AM   #4339
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Unfortunately neither will a F800GS be a pure dual sport bike, and for the money the Vstrom is a much better buy when you get right down to it. Even after you take the full specifications from both adventure models adventure ABS ect, top speed, MPG, weight handling, reliability/temperaments/parts availability. The Vstrom is a very solid choice.
The Vstrom's are a compromise. No offense to anyone that owns one but I have enough miles on both the 650 and 1000 to know they really are a blunt instrument in most situations. If an 800gs is not a pure DS what is?

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Old 03-11-2014, 07:08 AM   #4340
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That's the cool thing about "Dual-Sport" motorcycles. Everyone has a different definition and there's a bike for most of 'em.
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:18 AM   #4341
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A damper won't allow me to ride it like a dirt bike, but it will allow me to get down some sketchy trails at low speeds.
A steering damper at low speeds is the last thing you would want - unless it's dialed way down

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The Vstrom's are a compromise. No offense to anyone that owns one but I have enough miles on both the 650 and 1000 to know they really are a blunt instrument in most situations. If an 800gs is not a pure DS what is?
while I agree to some point, the Vstrom for a 70/30 bike is very capable. And a very low maintenance bike to boot. I love ripping up the twists on my sons SV 650 which is almost the same bike. One just needs to understand the limitations of what you are riding. Unless you like repair bills Dang, I've ridden my Ducati street bike down some nasty dirt roads - I did shed a tear or two while doing it
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Old 03-11-2014, 08:37 AM   #4342
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Old 03-11-2014, 08:37 AM   #4343
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That's the cool thing about "Dual-Sport" motorcycles. Everyone has a different definition and there's a bike for most of 'em.
Then we can get into that whole "Adventure Bike" vs. "Dual Sport" thing too. I think the larger, more street biased bikes are called "Adventure Bikes" 'cause the farther you take 'em out into the nasty, gnarly off road stuff, the bigger the "adventure" becomes.
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Old 03-11-2014, 08:43 AM   #4344
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If an 800gs is not a pure DS what is?
They are all dirt bikes. Some just handle better then others.
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Old 03-11-2014, 09:06 AM   #4345
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Moto-Trek if you are planning to meet Fri. post time and place. I might show up Fri. too.
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Inland Nortwest Motorcycle show
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3:30PM (or there abouts)

I'm planning on a walkthrough before the crowds. Then it's off to Perry Street Brewing, 1025 S. Perry #2, Spokane, Washington. Should be there by 5:30 PM (or when Ms MT calls and says she's waiting ) for malt beverages and Perry Street Pizza I sure hope they open as planned
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Old 03-11-2014, 09:25 AM   #4346
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Then we can get into that whole "Adventure Bike" vs. "Dual Sport" thing too. I think the larger, more street biased bikes are called "Adventure Bikes" 'cause the farther you take 'em out into the nasty, gnarly off road stuff, the bigger the "adventure" becomes.
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Old 03-11-2014, 01:58 PM   #4347
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Didn't mean to create a debate. If I could afford a Beemer, I'd own one in a heartbeat.

@moto-treks The initial thought behind the damper was to have it tuned just enough for those low speeds, but I'm now realizing I can probably just get away with a fork brace instead.

To add to the discussion, I find things like the DRs and the KLRs dual sports, where as the F800GS is more in the adventure category for me. It has a lot more comfort for a little less offroad ability. No doubt there are people who can do just as much on a 800gs as I can do on a KLR, but I'm more willing to be brave(stupid) on the bike that cost me $2,000 than the one that cost over $10,000. Even bikes like the KLR are still quite tall and heavy. But I'm only 5'9" on a good day, so one of you crazy tall people that adventure riding seems to draw obviously has a different opinion than I do.
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:14 PM   #4348
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Didn't mean to create a debate. If I could afford a Beemer, I'd own one in a heartbeat.

@moto-treks The initial thought behind the damper was to have it tuned just enough for those low speeds, but I'm now realizing I can probably just get away with a fork brace instead.

To add to the discussion, I find things like the DRs and the KLRs dual sports, where as the F800GS is more in the adventure category for me. It has a lot more comfort for a little less offroad ability. No doubt there are people who can do just as much on a 800gs as I can do on a KLR, but I'm more willing to be brave(stupid) on the bike that cost me $2,000 than the one that cost over $10,000. Even bikes like the KLR are still quite tall and heavy. But I'm only 5'9" on a good day, so one of you crazy tall people that adventure riding seems to draw obviously has a different opinion than I do.
No real debate friend. Just friendly discussion and sharing of ideas. I will echo what someone else already said though... For a youngin you seem to have a healthy, well balanced view on life. Cheers!
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Old 03-11-2014, 03:12 PM   #4349
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Friday Meet-up


Inland Nortwest Motorcycle show
SPOKANE COUNTY FAIR & EXPO CENTER
404 N HAVANA - SPOKANE, WA

3:30PM (or there abouts)

I'm planning on a walkthrough before the crowds. Then it's off to Perry Street Brewing, 1025 S. Perry #2, Spokane, Washington. Should be there by 5:30 PM (or when Ms MT calls and says she's waiting ) for malt beverages and Perry Street Pizza I sure hope they open as planned

If I don't show up at the show I'll probably show up to have pizza with you and Wendy. I'll probably show up at the show too and again Sat. never too much of a good thing.


Now about that silly Dual Sport vs Adventure Bike thing. I don't know why there's a question. A Dual Sport is a bike that is both dirt and pavement capable and and Adventure bike is ANY bike YOU have an adventure on. It's your adventure and no one else's you, define it for yourself and not for anyone else.

My dual sport bike is my F650GS it's dirt and pavement capable.
My Adventure bike is my DR200SE it provides an ADVENTURE when ever I take it out.

Now boys, let me put it in a way you can understand - - - - It's not the size of the tool that matters it's how you use it.


Bronson Rock, let us know how those F800 rims hold up for you out on rough terrain - from what I understand they have provided many F800 riders with an adventure.
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Old 03-11-2014, 04:22 PM   #4350
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If I don't show up at the show I'll probably show up to have pizza with you and Wendy. I'll probably show up at the show too and again Sat. never too much of a good thing.
I'll ping you when I'm leaving the house - should be around 3. If the weather holds like today maybe I'll dust of the GS1150 - I think that's a Dual Sport - no wait, Wendy would say it doesn't work in the dirt or maybe it was something about not knowing how to use my tool I still think it was the earthquake
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