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Old 02-12-2014, 12:22 PM   #2431
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:48 PM   #2432
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Old 02-14-2014, 06:25 AM   #2433
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Well, the first part about the geometry changing is accurate and is something most people don't take into consideration when using lowering links. Riders installing these should check sag after installation to determine if a preload adjustment or another spring is needed.

The last bit is mistaken in this case, as the OP indicated this link was designed to increase travel. It isn't a lowering link, as is most commonly installed.
Facts: Link length will determine rear ride height and amount of total wheel travel. Using a shorter link will raise rear ride height, but also reduce total travel. Conversely, using a longer link with lower ride height, but also increase total travel (the travel increase comes in the compression side of things, so the wheel will come closer to the rear fender). The amount of travel gained or lost depends on the geometry of the rear suspension design and linkage ratio. On my V-Strom 650, a 1" raising link resulted in a 12% loss of travel. Expect a similar result for the Tiger.

Besides changing the ride height and travel, the link length also changes the influence of the spring rate. A shorter link will effectively make the suspension perform "stiffer"- i.e., a given weight/force will cause the rear suspension to compress less, compared to the stock link. The opposite is true for a longer link. However, this influence is rather subtle when we are talking about 500lb bikes, and not enough to consider a change in spring rate (unless of course, the bike was under/over sprung already).
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Old 02-14-2014, 06:58 AM   #2434
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Facts: Link length will determine rear ride height and amount of total wheel travel. Using a shorter link will raise rear ride height, but also reduce total travel. Conversely, using a longer link with lower ride height, but also increase total travel (the travel increase comes in the compression side of things, so the wheel will come closer to the rear fender). The amount of travel gained or lost depends on the geometry of the rear suspension design and linkage ratio. On my V-Strom 650, a 1" raising link resulted in a 12% loss of travel. Expect a similar result for the Tiger.

Besides changing the ride height and travel, the link length also changes the influence of the spring rate. A shorter link will effectively make the suspension perform "stiffer"- i.e., a given weight/force will cause the rear suspension to compress less, compared to the stock link. The opposite is true for a longer link. However, this influence is rather subtle when we are talking about 500lb bikes, and not enough to consider a change in spring rate (unless of course, the bike was under/over sprung already).
Good info. Thanks.

I guess it would have been more accurate to say the OP installed it for additional ride height then.

Additional height with less travel doesn't sound so appealing to me.

I achieved additional "static" height and more "usable" travel by changing springs to get the correct sag for my weight. I've no need for more height overall, or additional travel, though I'll probably spring for the Seat Concepts "high" kit eventually to relieve the bend in the knees a little.
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:30 AM   #2435
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It's saved the lever a few times already.
Three things:
1. I'm here to learn so no flaming
2. I know this thread is quite old
3. What the hell is this (I take it it saves the levers from being ripped off, similar to F1 wheel tethers) and where can I get the cables?

Thanks for your patience

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Old 03-25-2014, 03:36 AM   #2436
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Three things:
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2. I know this thread is quite old
3. What the hell is this (I take it it saves the levers from being ripped off, similar to F1 wheel tethers) and where can I get the cables?

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Called a lever snake - I think. As you surmised it prevents (hopefully) the lever getting too out of shape.
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:36 AM   #2437
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Three things:
1. I'm here to learn so no flaming
2. I know this thread is quite old
3. What the hell is this (I take it it saves the levers from being ripped off, similar to F1 wheel tethers) and where can I get the cables?

Thanks for your patience

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It's an old dirtbike trick.
http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/...er-Lever-Saver
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:40 AM   #2438
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Brake snake.

You can make them really cheap using a cycle brake cable inner and an electrical screw connector.


On the gear side, as well as preventing the lever folding in half, I'm hoping it'll also stop the lever going too high and breaking the gearbox internals.
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:42 AM   #2439
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RobDirt, blacktiger and Kildareman (my parents are from Cork), you guys are legends.


Thanks for the quick reply.



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Old 03-25-2014, 04:40 AM   #2440
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Hi all,

I searched this forum to no avail:

Going on a 7 day ride in Tasmania (Van Diemen's Land), Australia soon. My trip will be 50/50 road / gravel slash Tassie Trails. I'm considering at this stage using two side panniers with a dry bag on top to keep the weight and center of gravity down; however, part of me thinks "Chuck the top box on as well."

Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 03-25-2014, 05:59 AM   #2441
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Hi all,

I searched this forum to no avail:

Going on a 7 day ride in Tasmania (Van Diemen's Land), Australia soon. My trip will be 50/50 road / gravel slash Tassie Trails. I'm considering at this stage using two side panniers with a dry bag on top to keep the weight and center of gravity down; however, part of me thinks "Chuck the top box on as well."

Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

DT
If it were me I'd chuck the panniers as well. When doing much off road riding, I prefer a couple of good dry bags. Less is more. I went on a 10 day ride awhile back and managed to get everything I needed in a 60 liter and a 25 litre duffle plus my tent. Just my .02 More than likely you'll get a few different opinions on here. Which is what makes this site great.
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:15 AM   #2442
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Hi all,

I searched this forum to no avail:

Going on a 7 day ride in Tasmania (Van Diemen's Land), Australia soon. My trip will be 50/50 road / gravel slash Tassie Trails. I'm considering at this stage using two side panniers with a dry bag on top to keep the weight and center of gravity down; however, part of me thinks "Chuck the top box on as well."

Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

DT
I'd say it depends on the condition of the trails. If good, then go with the full pannier set-up. If you think you're definitely going to throw the bike at the scenery then maybe soft on the sides.
The top box gives some security and is unlikely to hit the ground and is/should be water proof for any electrical stuff like a laptop. Also quick and easy to pop off to help lift up the bike.
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:25 AM   #2443
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Three things:
1. I'm here to learn so no flaming
2. I know this thread is quite old
3. What the hell is this (I take it it saves the levers from being ripped off, similar to F1 wheel tethers) and where can I get the cables?

Thanks for your patience

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I've had it snap branches that otherwise would have trashed the lever.
I used 1/16" steal cable and swedges from Home Deopt. I bought the swedging tool for $9

IMHO it's stronger than the electrical connection, but for me it boiled down to being pretty damn cheap and easy to get the tool and materials.
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Old 03-25-2014, 08:38 AM   #2444
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RobDirt, blacktiger and Kildareman (my parents are from Cork), you guys are legends.


Thanks for the quick reply.



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You're welcome. My parents are from London & Santiago (Chile)
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Old 03-25-2014, 09:05 AM   #2445
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I am also cheap and saftey wire my levers to the skid plat.

On carrying a load, I learned last year on a Girlie on 4" of fresh pea gravel, down low is good. I wished my tent would fit in the pannier at the bottom. I also in haste put the tent on top of my sleeping bag and mat in a 90 liter dry bag on the back seat. Quite the entertaining ride for 50 miles.
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