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Old 04-20-2014, 11:32 PM   #2026
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Yeah, but parallel twins sound like c... and vibrate more. Only L-twin can beat another L-twin.
They are both 270 / 450 degree motors.
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Old 04-21-2014, 12:44 AM   #2027
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Parallel or v-twin, are different in nature. Which one you like more, is up to you though.
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Old 04-21-2014, 05:13 AM   #2028
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Good point. In her current form, the V2 should be contrasted more toward the Roadie.

Good point about the S10. She's after the RGS market.

Peak? Perhaps.
It seems like from 2011 on up, I keep READING about how DS sales keep going up. Granted, I started researching on Jan of 2013. I'm one of the consumers that have driven up the numbers.
If the USA actually started to have small SUV off-raoding diesel cars, maybe I'd go back to having a cage instead of a MC. Hahaha.
In my opinion, Adventure-Style motorcycle sales are increasing due to the comfortable riding position, improved suspension, and increased power.

Baby Boomers and Empty Nesters are buying the type of bikes they have always wanted . . .

Unfortunately, most Adventure-Style bikes are getting too big and heavy to enjoy off road trail riding.

I am trying to make my own light weight, comfortable, smooth and powerful bike for Adventure-type rides . . .

A 500X with a FZ-09 engine would be sweet . . .
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:41 AM   #2029
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A 500X with an engine would be sweet:
and a set of wheels. spoked preferably, in requisite sizes
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:50 AM   #2030
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If the USA actually started to have small SUV off-raoding diesel cars, maybe I'd go back to having a cage instead of a MC. Hahaha.
aarrrrggfghhhh
you got on my other last nerve.
its incredible to me that some auto outfit hasn't jumped on the OBVIOUS hole in the market for a small, economical, and BULLETPROOF competitor to JEEP [sahara, et al...]
The local M/C dealer here is selling boatloads of the 4x4 "offroad" vehicles that are in huge demand - tons of innovation in that space.
why don't they just grow one a LITTLE...
Jeeps are horrible - go read any big forum where Owners post their gripes.
too big, way too expensive for the purpose, unreliable, ...
2wd is plenty. 4wd nice to have Sized like a Miata with some luggage racks above and behind
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Old 04-22-2014, 11:21 AM   #2031
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You don't feel like you're moving that quick until you look down and you've hit 90.
....which is actually 83 due to the S10's ridiculously optimistic speedo.

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Old 04-23-2014, 10:44 AM   #2032
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Had a chance to test ride a 2013 Super Tenere yesterday.
Bike had about 1700 klm on it.
Ran good. T mode and S mode are what I expected having visited the ST forum and seeing what the lads there had to say. BTW, a great bunch of guys!
I found the bike really comfy.
It was not really quick, not bad though....but deceptively fast!
I also cranked up the preload and took it down my favorite twisties.
This big girl is a stealth bomber...once set up for the curves it just rails with confidence. It would eat lots of sports bikes alive in tighter areas where high HP would not come into play.
Alas, I could not live with the work a day acceleration/vibration on this bike. Smooth at steady rpm, but anything other the very light throttle application, produced, for ME, unacceptable vibration...at just about all revs.
A shame really, because I really wanted one.
My second choice is the new V2 and I am gonna try to get a test ride as soon as possible. I DO expect some work vibration, but hopefully it will be much more tolerable then the STen.
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Old 04-23-2014, 01:53 PM   #2033
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Foam grips and a sheep skin seat pad worked for me with the Versys vibes . . . The 90 degree V2 will be much better . . .

There has been many reports from ST riders that the engine will smooth out significantly after about 5,000 miles. Most ST owners have no vibration issues at all?
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Old 04-23-2014, 03:23 PM   #2034
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Foam grips and a sheep skin seat pad worked for me with the Versys vibes . . . The 90 degree V2 will be much better . . .

There has been many reports from ST riders that the engine will smooth out significantly after about 5,000 miles. Most ST owners have no vibration issues at all?
Believe me mcmann, I wish I could afford to take the chance that the ST would smooth out considerably.
As I said, other then the engine vibration, I would have made an offer on the spot.
I liked it that much.
I could see myself surprising my buddies on their VFR800's in the twisties with this bike!

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Old 04-24-2014, 02:29 AM   #2035
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Believe me mcmann, I wish I could afford to take the chance that the ST would smooth out considerably.
As I said, other then the engine vibration, I would have made an offer on the spot.
I liked it that much.
I could see myself surprising my buddies on their VFR800's in the twisties with this bike!
The ECUnleashed Gen II flash eliminated the vibrations that were putting my right hand to sleep.
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Old 04-24-2014, 03:59 AM   #2036
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Nothing helped with my ST vibes not ECUnleashed either :-(
ST now got a stable mate a WR250R and it takes over when the dirt road finish and single track comes up, this bike is so smooth compared to my ST :-)
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Old 04-24-2014, 04:27 AM   #2037
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Nothing helped with my ST vibes not ECUnleashed either :-(
ST now got a stable mate a WR250R and it takes over when the dirt road finish and single track comes up, this bike is so smooth compared to my ST :-)
wr is on my shortlist somewhere out there.
I don't have room for 2 bikes anymore, but I gots room for 1.5
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Old 04-24-2014, 05:39 AM   #2038
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Nothing helped with my ST vibes not ECUnleashed either :-(
ST now got a stable mate a WR250R and it takes over when the dirt road finish and single track comes up, this bike is so smooth compared to my ST :-)
Ya, the bike ran really well and it did not seem to have a fueling issue at all.
The T and S modes were a new experience for me, but I can see the logic in their application and had no real issue with them, and in fact, thought this technology was a good idea.
I would think it is just the nature of a big 270 degree parallel twin.
You either like it, or you don't.
I did not feel any real vibration in the frame or foot pegs but when using the throttle, you sure felt it in the bars at every throttle application, and it was not subtle, unless very light application.
Apparently the 2014 has new bars with some rubber isolation and some changes in clutch technology. BTW, the clutch seemed fine and did not seem to "chudder"

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Old 04-24-2014, 05:52 AM   #2039
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I wonder how the FZ-09 engine would do in the STen frame? It makes very strong smooth power throughout the RPM range and is lighter.
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Old 04-24-2014, 06:56 AM   #2040
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Still would be heavy because the ST frame is over built (not a bad thing) and heavy.

BTW, as far as ST vibs go when I had mine, it vibrated a bit. Not horrible, but noticeable. I synq'd the TBs and that smoothed things out a LOT. FWIW
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