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Old 03-04-2014, 11:06 AM   #1591
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The cool thing about Ninja 250s is that you can snag a nice one for well under two grand. After you're ready to "graduate" to a larger, more powerful bike you can get your money back out of the Ninja fairly easy. There's a huge market for used ones.

And if you drop it or what not you're only messing up a Ninja 250 and not something cool like an SV. :-D

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I completely missed where you said best beginner bike. I thought you had just plain said best bike. I agree with you 100%. A ninja 250 makes a far better beginner bike than an SV.
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Old 03-20-2014, 06:00 PM   #1592
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A poor man's solution to lowering the footpegs is to buy these Buell XB lowering pegs. They drop the peg height by about an inch. They just require a small amount of grinding to get them to fit the SV. It took me maybe ten minutes with my grinding wheel. If I had to do it with a dremel, maybe 20 minutes tops. They're not as good as an adjustable rearset... But for $30, you can't go wrong. It feels awkward at first because your feet sit wider on the pegs, but after a couple of rides I got completely used to it. As far as touring mods go, dollar for dollar, this is probably one of the best mods you can do if you have long legs
The money I saved by buying & installing these pegs is gonna get put in the kitty to buy you a beer if we ever meet - that worked exactly as you advised, and it's a good start on getting my legs where they should be.
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:02 PM   #1593
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Congrats! Post some pics!
that i will. i have posted some real lousy ones in a couple of threads. bad lighting, bad camera. but looking at the bike today in the sunlight i can honestly say it;s a good looking bike all around. so when i post some better pics they will be in this thread, not the FZ6 thread.

although i ended up with an FZ6 and am glad i did as i like the bike a lot, the SV650 was the one i researched most and was within reach. and you all in this thread helped me a lot. or i should say helped me to understand this motorcycle, the SV650. so thanks

i still want one, i think. would certainly not turn one down. and the S would be more welcome as the FZ6 is a more upright riding bike

so pics in the coming days
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Old 03-21-2014, 05:17 AM   #1594
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The money I saved by buying & installing these pegs is gonna get put in the kitty to buy you a beer if we ever meet - that worked exactly as you advised, and it's a good start on getting my legs where they should be.
Glad I could have helped!
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Old 03-23-2014, 04:59 PM   #1595
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Old 03-23-2014, 07:18 PM   #1596
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I completely missed where you said best beginner bike. I thought you had just plain said best bike. I agree with you 100%. A ninja 250 makes a far better beginner bike than an SV.
Im not so sure about that. But my only real experience with a 250 is with msf courses but I would have not been happy with one for my first bike. The sv has power but it is easily managed. I know 4 people who started on SV's. Those 4 have done really well on them and grew into the power. And those 4 also do not have any accidents, drops or regrets. I guess it comes down to the person. Im 155lbs. The sv was a perfect bike for me. I feel like I would have gotten rid of a 250 within a month.

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Old 05-08-2014, 05:37 AM   #1597
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I'm 155 lb. after 14 yrs. of riding, I still ride a Ninja 250 everywhere. When you learn how to ride a small bike and keep it going at a spirited pace, engine displacement doesn't make that much of a difference on public roads, or on track.

I commute twice weekly from Philly to NYC on PA & NJ turnpike, during the week I commute among car mirrors in 5-boro of NYC and Hoboken. Probably the busiest highways and densely populated areas in this country.
My 04 Ninja 250 works great for me at 155 lb. w/30-40 lb. of gear strapped to the seat. On highways 80-85 mph @ 10-11k rpm, smooth as butter, traffic slows to a crawl I zip between car mirrors or hop on the sidewalk. Park among bicycles in bike racks save parking $$.
Experience in MSF classes are just getting used to the controls of a 2-wheel vehicle, not practical experience for urban utility or highway riding.

Besides, it's more fun to ride a small bike to the limits than to ride a mega HP bike at 10% of its capability. Passing a suspersport or liter-class sport bike in a tight corner.. easily done on a Ninja 250.

I also ride a SV650S, not nearly as much fun in tight traffic as the Ninja 250. On the highway it gets easier passing among cars, slightly more stability when passing 18-wheelers on windy weather, but not by much.
Not reving the SV at 10-11k rpm for sure, vibration is different on the SV, not as butter smooth as Ninja 250, but not intrusive to get me numb after hours of riding.
Less mind calculation to ride at spirited pace in the twisties for sure, twist the throttle and get more acceleration for sure, but seems that it requires less riding skill to go fast.

Brakes.. about the same.. Ninja 250 could use some heavier springs/oil to reduce the fork dive in heavy braking, SV, too but a fork brace greatly improved that.

All in all, Ninja 250 cost less to purchase, insure, repair and operate. For utilitarian purpose, it serves better than SV, but if you only have one bike to do it all and ride more for pleasure than utility.. SV is hard to beat.
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Old 05-08-2014, 06:09 AM   #1598
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Great post.

In my experience, most guys who trash the 250 have never owned one. Most people who started off riding the street on a 250 seem to be happy with their choice.

If you're bored of a 250 after a month, you're doing something wrong. Maybe 5% of the enjoyment of riding on two wheels comes from acceleration... so if I'm on a bike that is slow (and a Ninja 250 is only slow in comparison to other faster bikes), I've only lost a very small bit of enjoyment.
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Old 05-08-2014, 07:22 AM   #1599
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I started on a 99' SV650, good thing I did, my wife had a Ninja 250, and while it was fun I would have eventually gotten bored of it if I went the 250 route. I am all for beginners starting small and working their way up, but in my case it was all about controlling yourself and learning slowly which I did, so the SV650 fit me fine.
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Old 05-08-2014, 04:16 PM   #1600
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I'm 6'6" and 225, so while the Ninja 250 is a fun little bike, it's a bit small for me. I prefer my XR650R for urban warfare, which is lighter and faster than the lil' Ninja, and goes off road! Then I have my SV1000 for faster and farther.
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Old 05-09-2014, 09:40 AM   #1601
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True, i don't own a 250. Although, for the backroads where i live, i have been eyeing a TU250x.

My SV is now for sale as well. :( sad times,
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:12 AM   #1602
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My front brakes feel spongy. Beeding only helps for a short period of time. I have a GSXR front end conversion but I'm using the SV cylinder and lines. I'm also thinking about going with dirt bike bars and drilling out the triple clamp for them. The clip ons are getting old or maybe I'm just getting old. Either way, any suggestions on a wallet friendly solution? I'd like a better brake master cylinder but isn't there a recall on all the GSXR ones?

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Old 05-09-2014, 11:58 AM   #1603
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If you want to drill the triple and add dirt bike bars, you'll most likely need new brake lines. If you need new lines, you may add well go with stainless steel braided lines. That made a huge difference in braking when I switched to SS lines.

Switching from clipons to dirt bike bars is a great upgrade... one of the best I've done.
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Old 05-09-2014, 01:37 PM   #1604
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Don't worry too much about the recall. It has more to do with old fluid eroding the cylinders walls. Just change your brake fluid more often.

are you positive you don't have a small leak somewhere?

also if you do the GSXR master, beware of cheap brake levers. i got a cheap one and it wasn't drilled enough. after riding for about a mile, the front brakes lock up. i had to buy an OE lever and it's ok. apparently a pretty common issue with the chinese knockoffs. just something to plan for.
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Old 05-09-2014, 05:42 PM   #1605
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My front brakes feel spongy. Beeding only helps for a short period of time. I have a GSXR front end conversion but I'm using the SV cylinder and lines. I'm also thinking about going with dirt bike bars and drilling out the triple clamp for them. The clip ons are getting old or maybe I'm just getting old. Either way, any suggestions on a wallet friendly solution? I'd like a better brake master cylinder but isn't there a recall on all the GSXR ones?

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If you drill out your triple and are not happy let me know. I've got one in the garage I'd let go for cheap. I switched mine for an n rather than drilling. Dirt bike bars are the way to go. You won't regret it.
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