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Old 06-21-2014, 11:29 AM   #2386
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Even though I don't feel it, there is a flat spot on the dyno torque curve after it peaks (about 4K) before it goes up again....

When does that valve open/close in the exhaust system? Could the actions there account for the torque curve changes as the system changes from resonant tuning to maximum flow?

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Old 06-21-2014, 11:37 AM   #2387
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At 3200 miles now. Only flaw I find is shifting from 1st to 2nd is clunky for lack of a better word. I have never ridden a gen1 1000 so have no basis for comparison...keep that in mind with the following comments. also puts off more noticable heat above 85 degrees than my 650. My 06 vstrom 650 is rough like this between 1st and 2nd but only after a roadside repair of clutch rod pushseal at 80k miles. I did a poor repair job but it ain't totally broke so have never went back to fix properly. I don't think a new bike should be this clunky going into 2nd. The rest of gearing seems outstanding to me, smooth. The slipper?clutch is flawless works perfect downshifting. This is how I look at the gears..1st..low n torque will climb anything, 2nd..does what it's supposed to. 3rd..hooligan gear, does all you can ask and more. 4th...gentlemen's gear, will keep you out of trouble on brp or small country towns. But has muscle if you take off the suit and tie 5th.. hooligan gear for everything not covered by third. 6th.. overdrive, but will pass anything needed, perriod. Have never been close to redlining in any of them that am aware of. I feel I have pushed this bike to my limits while not coming close to what it is capable of. There is A LOT is this package...

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Old 06-21-2014, 01:16 PM   #2388
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Mine is a little rough shifting between first and second too; it's been like that since I bought it. My GSX 1250 is like that too, and has not changed in it's 22,000 miles. I thought that it may be a characteristic thing for Suzukis. Both bikes shift best with a quick pedal movement between gears. It does not seem to be changing any as I approach 3000 miles.
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Old 06-21-2014, 04:51 PM   #2389
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My former 2004 Vee had me trying different motor oils, the "Swiss spacer mod" and preloading the lever slightly for the 1st to 2nd upshift, but the only really substancial improvement, was fitting a Touratech shifter directly on the shift shaft and getting rid of the oem shifter's linkage setup.

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Old 06-21-2014, 09:31 PM   #2390
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I've had a few Suzy's and they all are a bit like that. What they don't want is a light delicate touch - give it a good stab!

I have the Touratech lever on my '08 and it is better than all that extra spag that comes from the factory.
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Old 06-21-2014, 09:43 PM   #2391
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Thanks for the advice. Is this the one of which y'all speak? http://www.touratech-usa.com/Store/2...V-Strom-DL1000
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Old 06-21-2014, 11:58 PM   #2392
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Old 06-22-2014, 03:53 AM   #2393
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hey ya''ll

1200 kms so far, really smoothes out at about 5000 rpm

and is haulin'' a##e , i cant complain, can you ???
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Old 06-22-2014, 03:56 AM   #2394
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Wheel question

Do you guys see any problem with riding off pavement with this bike fully loaded for hours/days having cast wheels and not spoked?
I have never owned an adventure bike with cast wheels.
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Old 06-22-2014, 04:38 AM   #2395
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I've had a few Suzy's and they all are a bit like that. What they don't want is a light delicate touch - give it a good stab!
neither my k4 nor k5 wee is notchy 1-2 or any other selection.
now the DR... different animal! it trains the pilot how to shift it; otherwise, there will be punishment!

the veek is a conundrum... the local dealer has 2 of them now on the floor. I asked a couple days ago how sales are and he admitted they had not sold one yet. like most, they don't do joy rides. so they sit. Now, my wife knows virtually nothing about bikes except for the seat. the only bike she ever liked was my old 2000 shadow sabre with a comfy mustang cruzer seat, but she never can remember the bike itself ... refers to it as "the black one I LIKED". she took one look at the front of the Khaki Veek and pointed her finger at the protrusion and said "WHAT is THAT?!"
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Old 06-22-2014, 07:14 AM   #2396
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neither my k4 nor k5 wee is notchy 1-2 or any other selection.
now the DR... different animal! it trains the pilot how to shift it; otherwise, there will be punishment!

the veek is a conundrum... the local dealer has 2 of them now on the floor. I asked a couple days ago how sales are and he admitted they had not sold one yet. like most, they don't do joy rides. so they sit. Now, my wife knows virtually nothing about bikes except for the seat. the only bike she ever liked was my old 2000 shadow sabre with a comfy mustang cruzer seat, but she never can remember the bike itself ... refers to it as "the black one I LIKED". she took one look at the front of the Khaki Veek and pointed her finger at the protrusion and said "WHAT is THAT?!"
The beak does catch attention. A guy asked me yesterday how I liked my Beemer. As to sales of the bike, Suzuki should make the decision to put demo bikes at the dealerships and loosen the policy of allowing test rides. The coupon sent to dl 650 owners for $250 toward a trade in should include a free test ride. The bike is new, the looks are unusual. People are reticent to make the leap of laying down cash. But, this bike sells itself if ridden. It has far exceeded my expectations. I would not have one if I did not have a local dealer who encouraged me to ride it. I was pretty happy with my wee strom.
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Old 06-22-2014, 07:43 AM   #2397
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The beak does catch attention. A guy asked me yesterday how I liked my Beemer. As to sales of the bike, Suzuki should make the decision to put demo bikes at the dealerships and loosen the policy of allowing test rides. The coupon sent to dl 650 owners for $250 toward a trade in should include a free test ride. The bike is new, the looks are unusual. People are reticent to make the leap of laying down cash. But, this bike sells itself if ridden. It has far exceeded my expectations. I would not have one if I did not have a local dealer who encouraged me to ride it. I was pretty happy with my wee strom.
Read my comment above, the first one on this page. The dealer gave me the keys and told me to bring it back in two hours. No one along on the ride. And that is in Europe where test rides are very rare.

My impressions are in the same post

Actually one additional comment, this v-strom and the super tenere might be the only two bikes from the recent crop of adventurers that I would actually take from alaska to patagonia, without a doubt and hesitation. (just to give an example). An adventure is not limited to the bike, but what you can get out of the bike, cast wheels or not is really just insignificant. And for regular unpaved stuff of trails this bike should be more than fine.

Reliable, powerful for loading up with gear, lighter than 1200cc+ bikes, did I say reliable? Sprockets and chains cost you nothing, compared to a blown shaft drive... etc...
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Old 06-22-2014, 08:40 AM   #2398
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Super Tenere vs New DL1000

As the previous poster mentioned these are very reliable bikes. However...for 2 up riding with a heavy load on the way to Patagonia I would definitely ride a Super T. It's bigger, has a proven (in ADV ride reports) indestructible frame and not one ducumented stranding as a result of mechanical issues that I know of (this assuming it has a decent aftermarket bashplate). The spoked wheels are a bonus and will allow you to limp away if you hit something big enough to destroy a cast wheel.

The Super T is marginally more expensive but as a value proposition for this type of trip needs to be considered. Then again...the Suzuki is sportier and more "fun" to ride fast I suspect....Also...I believe the Yamaha dealer network is more extensive should you need a part in South America.

Comments from those cross shopping these (and other) bikes please.
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Old 06-22-2014, 09:09 AM   #2399
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Like ARiderX, I recently had the keys tossed to me, no questions asked, for the new Strom. It really is a great all-around bike. Plenty of riding impressions in this thread already, but if my experience could add anything, my write up is at: www.thehurricanedeck.com, third review down, under the "blog" menu.
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Old 06-22-2014, 09:11 AM   #2400
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When does that valve open/close in the exhaust system? Could the actions there account for the torque curve changes as the system changes from resonant tuning to maximum flow?

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I have no idea how that valve is programmed and that is where these things are getting to complex for me to just start experimenting blindly. I'd be guessing if I tried to answer that (hopefully an educated guess, but you already sound on the right track there). Rumors abound how much it is adjusting for performance, rideability or sound levels.

For that matter do we even know what the secondary throttle is doing? For certain the traction control uses it, but besides that is it essential for the smooth power delivery, or does it actually act like a governer, and if so how much and where? The old 1K I just removed them and everything was better, but I'm not about to do that as I don't want to lose my TC and possibly run worse. If these restrictions are present they will show up when the programming is looked at by somebody who understand such things, which is why I mentioned I'd be willing to wait for a map from ECU unleashed or similar who can remove undesirable aspects from the map. If this never becomes available I'd consider a powercommannder (or similar) if they come up with a correct map to optimize fueling, but that does nothing about possible restrictions.

All of this talk or optimizing performance I want to make one thing perfectly clear, I love this motor the way it runs right now, and if this is all that I'll ever get out of it I'd be perfectly happy. I'm just curious about the "free" power gains, the ones that in practice don't seem to have a down side, like so many modern bikes have. I'm not interested in building a hot rod out of this thing.
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