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Old 08-01-2014, 08:54 PM   #16
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Old 08-02-2014, 08:54 AM   #17
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I think if you bite off more than you can chew, you'll choke. I would ride a bit off road before riding something like the WABDR. If you ride to the point of frustration, you're less like to ride again.

Sounds like you've already done it, but I'd buy a Tourmaster Jett3 jacket, Tourmaster Venture pants, motorcycle specific boots and a dual sport helmet (AFX, Fly, etc). If you have the money, Alpinestars Bionic Jacket and Venture vented pants for when it's hot out.

If you've done the PSSOffroad class(es) you got a good start going. I would ride some of the easier stuff off road and practice some of the skills you learned in class. I'd do the WABDR next year after doing it in a 4x4 this year. They will be completely different experiences.

I find value in books and videos. I think they give you a place to start as opposed to not knowing what you don't know. Finding riding partners that want to teach can be difficult if what they want to do it ride. Also, there are a lot of people that think they have knowledge and skill and what they have is experience. Experience is good, if it's backed with proper knowledge and skill, a good foundation. Experience can be negative if it's based on improper knowledge and skill. Just because a person has been doing something for a long time doesn't mean it's right.

Also, I've found riding partners while out riding. If you go to a local place to practice and see someone doing well the thing you want to do, it's a great opportunity to ask.

Here's sort of the numbered list you were looking for:
So, get the gear, take the class, read the book, watch the DVD, practice the basics (stand up and see how slow you can do everything...balance), ask questions, build a foundation, ride faster (and smoother), ride the WABDR and ride some other dual sport/adventure rides (check the OMRA calendar and similar Washington group).
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Old 08-04-2014, 11:18 AM   #18
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Thanks everyone for the replies, it has given me some more to consider.

HellsAlien, your advice is much different than the basic classes that I've taken. They are all about even braking front/rear and don't talk about corner entry braking much. I'm guessing their advice is generic and your advice is a bit more advanced... I tend to use engine compression to slow me for a corner and typically go for front brake because I forget the rear when doing anything but complete stops.

tblume, I appreciate your enthusiasm and part of me wants to throw caution to the wind, but I think I'm going to hold off. My opinions side with what DeFens said. All my gear would be nicely carried by the trucks, but I still would be going slow, tackling the terrain, and adding the hot weather will just beat me down. I'm thinking Maddaddy's suggestion might be the way to handle things.

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Sounds like you've already done it, but I'd buy a Tourmaster Jett3 jacket, Tourmaster Venture pants, motorcycle specific boots and a dual sport helmet (AFX, Fly, etc). If you have the money, Alpinestars Bionic Jacket and Venture vented pants for when it's hot out.
I think I probably went a bit deluxe on the gear and probably could have done with cheaper (Olympia Airglide jacket, FirstGear Kathmandu pants), but oh well.
I'm not sure what more I need for the dirt ventures, probably a Bilt Redemption helmet... but what do you do with jacket again? I'm guessing my street jacket is going to be hot/get busted up, so one of those plastic armor shirt things would be needed, but then I need the jacket to get to the trailhead... not sure what you do with all this STUFF.

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Here's sort of the numbered list you were looking for:
So, get the gear, take the class, read the book, watch the DVD, practice the basics (stand up and see how slow you can do everything...balance), ask questions, build a foundation, ride faster (and smoother), ride the WABDR and ride some other dual sport/adventure rides (check the OMRA calendar and similar Washington group).
i think I'm somewhere near step 2.5
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Old 08-04-2014, 11:50 AM   #19
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You mention compression braking. I myself put big importance on comp braking on gravel especially. Its a smooth, constant braking that really makes a diffrrence if you shift down to get some rpm behind it. Not redline type rpm but not towards idle either.
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Old 08-05-2014, 08:53 PM   #20
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I'll weigh in here as I was in your shoes once.

Now that you have a WR250R (one fine ride), I'd recommend attending Dual Sport Northwest over a weekend this month and take the PSSOR off road course there. Tom Mehren, the organizer, also puts together a great set of d/s rides of short to moderate length and these can be used to practice the training on.

I definitely wouldn't recommend biting off the WABDR as one's first serious d/s ride. But it's a fun ride with an appropriate set of skills and companions.

Another local ride to consider is the GripTwister Tour of the Olympic Peninsula. It's right in your backyard.

BTW, Hells Alien is one fine dual sport rider. Listen to his advice.
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Old 08-05-2014, 09:48 PM   #21
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HellsAlien, your advice is much different than the basic classes that I've taken. They are all about even braking front/rear and don't talk about corner entry braking much. I'm guessing their advice is generic and your advice is a bit more advanced... I tend to use engine compression to slow me for a corner and typically go for front brake because I forget the rear when doing anything but complete stops. i think I'm somewhere near step 2.5
ck, good to see you are soaking this up, you are getting some good tips in your thread. I will tell you a true story about compression braking...

One year ago yesterday, a rider showed up at our track day with a really nice Ducati that he had just bought on a fly/drive. He wanted to do a track day then ride it back to Ohio. Since he was far from home/friends I told him to pit near me and use my stuff/tools/shade.

He talked about riding the hills around Columbus, OH, and about how he would ride all day through those hills and control the speed of the bike with just the throttle and never using the brake. He was very proud of this technique, even had a name for it.

I listened, but didn't realize what this really meant until later when he came up fast on some slower riders on the straight then grabbed 4 fingers full of Brembo dual disk front brake. He and the Ducati crashed on perfect pavement on a sunny day due to a complete lack of ability to use the front brake (and judge closing rate, also difficult.). Yeah, he was going fast, but that's not the point.

The point is he didn't know how to slow down a motorcycle with the front brake, maybe he was afraid of it, but I don't think so. My point in my earlier post is that you can't learn to be good with the front brake soon enough because that skill can save your butt!

Learn both: the moderate/balanced braking and then practice some slow/med/hard stops. The forward weight transfer of a hard stop renders the rear brake near useless. Work up to it, and deliberately learn to modulate/release the front brake lever because sooner or later you will hear that noise that a sliding front makes on various surfaces, and that is when you need to ease off. Same sound as a sliding rear, but a sliding front is potentially more trouble! Have fun, these things are amazing what they can do with some practice!
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Old 08-07-2014, 09:33 PM   #22
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Hello all, I'm a new rider on a '13 WR250R. I bought the bike on July 5th, and as of this posting, I've ridden slightly over 100 miles. Other than the PSSOR Intro to Offroad and the BRC, that's my total exposure on two wheels! I'm Breaking into the scene as wet and green as they come!

Before this forum, I joined another forum with an active local community where I hoped to get my learn on. However, it's more of a superbike/street scene and I'm feeling the proverbial round peg to their square hole.

If there's a forum superhero out there, I'd like to get a roadmap of what to do in terms of gear, classes, practicing on my own, difficulty progression in rides (i.e., parking lot > drive to work > a sample weekend ride on google maps > ?), groups to join, and so on.

Would this book cover everything, or do you recommend a different one?

I know I'm asking a lot, but I'm facing two issues:
  1. I've been gearing up for the street, and it hasn't been a cheap thing to do. I believe in having the right stuff without needing the perfect stuff, but I'm worried about becoming a 'gear whore'. I'm thinking I need a separate dirt helmet and maybe something other than my street coat, but wondering where the line is on going overboard?
  2. I also belong to a 4x4 small adventure-oriented truck club. In two weeks, we will drive the WABDR starting in Packwood. This is going to be pretty ho-hum in my truck, but probably over-the-top for a first big outing on the bike, so I better tuck my tail and wait to bike it another time. We also have an annual meet in Tillamook State Forest in late June, and two of the guys that are seasoned motocrossers want to see me join them. I'd like to figure out how to get 'ready' so I can say yes.
Just get out and ride. You can buy more gear and fix up your bike as you go. Get out into Capital Forest or whatever dirt is close to you and ride. Ride to work, ride to the store, ride some more dirt.
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Old 08-11-2014, 12:31 PM   #23
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Thanks everyone for the continued support.

MadDaddy went above and beyond and met with me this weekend to give me some coaching. It's pretty amazing to sit down with a guy that looks like he came straight out of an adventure movie and is willing to offer you some time.
I tried remembering everything he said, and I'll share it here in the hopes that whoever comes after me will stumble here with the same questions.
  • Upgrade in order of what makes you comfortable and safe. Being able to have correct posture, survive a fall, and withstand riding for prolonged amounts of time is your primary concern.
  • Street riding is the part we put up with between stretches of "the good stuff". Adjust the bike accordingly
    • Get bar risers. You will be standing most of the time offroad, and having bars that are too far down limits your control. To measure bar risers, stand on the bike in an attack position (imagine catching a football) with hands out Where your hands are is where the bar needs to be raised to.
    • Adjust the brake and clutch levers so they angle more downwards. This makes them easier to operate in a standing position. PROTIP: On many bikes, the mirrors are mounted to the brake and clutch controls. Loosen the control mounts just enough that they can be adjusted by gripping the mirror stalk and rotating the controls. This is also helpful if you fall and the levers get shifted inwards - now you can pull them back out!
    • Get wider foot pegs. Stock footpegs are like standing on the short end of a 2x4 piece of wood. Relieve those feet!
    • Adjust the shift peg upwards so that it is slightly higher than the foot peg. This makes it easier to shift, rather than having to duck your foot under.
  • Getting handguards sooner than later is probably good, since it does offer hand protection.
  • You only use the first two fingers of your hand to work a lever. Notice how short upgraded levers are. You could get upgraded clutch and brake levers that are all nice and short, but a workable shortcut is to use a hacksaw on those immensely long levers. It's an easy measure twice cut once, but if you are bad at DIY, just be ready to buy new levers
  • Work on storage and so on later. They may limit what sorts of rides you can do in terms of distance and multi-day trips... but what good are these upgrades if you are uncomfortable and in danger? (Although he didn't outright say it, the underlying message here is to go on trips that you and your bike are presently capable of. Chances are, you need practice at your current level of gear capability!)
    • When it comes time to get storage, you want the weight to be low on the bike, otherwise it becomes top heavy and wiggly! Don't forget to evenly distribute the weight
  • Reading other rider's build threads are more important than you think. They can sometimes tell you what doesn't work or what does.
  • As always, going slower is harder than going faster. If you have nothing better to do, go out and do the sharpest corners you can at the slowest speeds you can. It's probably the BEST thing you can do.


Considering I was in a bit of sleep deprivation when we were talking about all this, I think I got MOST of it out here in writing. Again, thanks MadDaddy for the extra help!
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