CE-approved clothing - master list?

http://www.rst-moto.com/rst-tractech-evo-ce-sport-boot-1516 RST Tractech EVO CE boots are claimed to be EN13634-certified.

The new range of Resurgence Gear Jeans are worth adding to the list. Tested to en13595-1 level 2, with the highest rating currently available. as mentioned on their website for Europe http://www.resurgencegear.net They are happy to answer any questions about the CE testing process and results that you may have.drop them an e-mail.

To be clear it is worth mentioning that the testing process is distinct from the Certification. First you submit the garment for testing, then you apply for certification. This means submitting a technical file to confirm that the garment comes with all the information and markings required by law to conform to the regulations and standard applied. A lengthy and complicated process which is not easy to achieve, designed to ensure the consumer can be sure the garment has demonstrated a specific and clearly defined level of protection. Garments with this certification are legally defined as Personal Protective Equipment.

There are many products making spurious claims about being protective,and we have all seen the ridiculous $50 jeans with patches of recycled aramid sewn to the knee. At the other end of the scale there is a lot of uncertified but high class, top quality and very expensive specialist gear that we all know and respect.
CE certification is just one way of proving your product is what it claims to be, and consumers will ultimately make their own decisions.The onus is now on the manufacturers to ensure that all their claims are demonstrable, and there are already instances of the Trading Standards taking action against some of the the more outrageous instances of shoddy sales tactics.
This can only be good for motorcyclists wanting to protect themselves from some of the risks involved in pursuit of what is still one of the purest forms of personal freedom - riding their motorcycle !!

Ermm, what exactly were you trying to say? That it's difficult, or that it's not so difficult to post your test results? Also, no need to quote that really long first post in its entirety.

And, have you tried those jeans yourself? And can you hook up people here with a discount code? ;-)

I've found following new info:

* Gloves
Halvarssons/Lindstrands has several CE-1 gloves now:

(I've not looked through all, but at least these ones)
Advance: http://www.jofama.se/mcsm/product_details.php?lang=2&id=333&s=MC

Jade:
http://www.jofama.se/mcsm/product_details.php?lang=2&id=329&s=MC

Flex:
http://www.jofama.se/mcsm/product_details.php?lang=2&id=330&s=MC

Comet:
http://www.jofama.se/mcsm/product_details.php?lang=2&id=170&s=MC

* Furygan claims CE-approval for many of their textile jackets.
http://www.furygan.com/index.php?p=produits&sp=th

I guess the master list has not been updated since February - perhaps it is time to give it a refresh?

What about ARAI helmets? They are not on the list? Not CE-approved?

You need to re-read the first post. This thread does not deal with helmet. All helmets commercially available today is by law ( and rightly so) certify to conform to a recognised standard, ECE, DOT, JIS, AS, etc...

Now only if the government does the same with protective clothing, we wouldn't need this thread.

My Schott Andes textile, not leather, jacket is ECE rated. I'll have to double check the specific wording on it though.

It's 500 denier cordura and either 1000 denier in impact areas or doubled up 500 denier (does 500 denier doubled up equal 1000 in abrasion resistance)?

Way back when people were trying to meet the ce abrasion test they found out that multiple light layers was far superior to a single layer of double the weight- this is why almost all suits use multiple layers in critical zones to pass the test.

Interesting article just posted on WBW.

Hey guys. I'm currently head of product development for a soon-to-enter the market PPE brand focusing on jackets. The article is quite accurate, although the main narrative is obviously told from the perspective of an American firm. It's funny, if such an article had existed when we first started it would've really cleared things up for us and saved ridiculous amounts of time. My product is currently still in testing.

If anyone has questions about the standards/processes or CE-related things I could give a comment. I do plan to be more active here as I've been lurking for years. Love the thread. This is probably the only curated list of CE-Certified gear available on the web.

Tell us more? Any pants in the works, or only jackets?

while shopping at my local ALDI stores, i come across 1 textile jacket, 1 textile pants and 1 leather jacket which all claims to be CE 13595 certified to level 2. All the correct documentation is attached and correct CE label used and test results by SATA printed in their booklet. It also shows the certification apply to all their 2014 onwards products.

the textile pants and jacket is way too thick to be of practical use where i live. There are obviously very thick 1000d+ nylon with 2 layers at all the zone 1&2. My subjective assessment says they do look items which can pass level 2.

ALDI's leather jacket is nowhere as stylish as my Atlantis 4 but look extremely well constructed except for the cuff closure. there are 2 very thick layers at all crash points. It look like something which can be worn comfortable into the mid and late 20C as long as you keep moving.

The leather jacket was reduced from AU $139 to $59. So i picked up one even though i dont really need it.

Check out your local ALDI stores when their special buys are on - this has to be cheapest CE certified gear

I'm stunned.
I was surprised by what you wrote, but apparantly they had the same thing in March in the UK!
I could not find the same deal here in Belgium though. :'(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...-motorcycle-gear-says-s-CHEAPEST-Britain.html


"The company reckons its £80 jacket and £60 trousers, made from 'high-standard' textile designed to protect against abrasion, are the cheapest in Britain.

The pass zone for the Level 2 impact abrasion test is seven seconds of abrasion resistance in body zones 1 and 2, which include the shoulders and elbows.
Aldi's jacket and trousers exceed these requirements, achieving over 13 seconds of abrasion resistance across all four zones of the garment.
John Chatterton-Ross, of Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme (FIM), the governing body for motorcycle racing, said: 'This is the first time I've seen a UK retailer selling a motorcycling jacket and trousers of this high standard at such low prices."

For now we're only focused on Jackets. There are plans for pants in the future, but if there's interest we could probably get this ready sooner than planned. I'm more interested in the discussion than secretly advertising so I'll leave it at that.

My experience is mostly with jackets so I'll stick with this area. This is paraphrased because I'm feeling a bit lazy:

There's are several big reasons why you don't see many garments approved to the CE 13595 certification. To achieve CEN13595, there are 40+/- individual tests/procedures. These range from the standard abrasion/cut/tear/seam burst tests to testing each individual material for leftover chemicals from manufacturing. Unfortunately a large number of brands that choose to produce leathers in China/Pakistan/India will already fail these tests.

Testing is incredibly slow and takes a couple of months to produce a product, get results, make changes and re-test if necessary. Scheduling is also difficult as because so few brands choose to do testing, very few testing labs are available to test the CEN13595 standards (there are about 5 in total).

The CEN 13595-1:2002 standard was developed for Professional/Track usage and some of the requirements are quite difficult to meet. Probably where most products would fail would be the seam-burst test (Must be >15Nm). From a manufacturing standpoint this means triple-stitched seams at about 14 stitches/ inch. This is a very high quality requirement and makes most garments quite expensive to manufacture -- especially for brands manufacturing in developing countries where material cost is extremely low. The average motorcycle jacket with a 1.4mm cowhide exterior has about $30-$60 of leather. The sewing/production cost doubles this price and with the need for R&D costs and retail markups (2.2x), at a $400-$600 price point there is not much room for a margin.

There are quite a few brands pushing for an urban riding standard and to be honest I feel like this makes quite a bit of sense. The article really skims over the French VO6 standard which is a bit of a shame. Personally I feel like this is probably the most relevant standard for non-track use product. The French "CE13595-1:2012 VO6" standard is 3-zones instead of 4 as it takes into account the armour as part of the abrasion/cut testing (which is logical). Also, it allows a slightly more-laxed standard for seams (>12Nm) which is more realistic considering very few garments are produced in single layers. Unfortunately the French government didn't include other countries into the implementation which is why it hasn't been adopted in other countries.

The new, third standard which has been "coming soon" for years, will be quite similar to the French standard. Due to the very slim-margins across the board for PPE manufacturers a new more relaxed standard would definitely help to spur development and hopefully it can be properly enforced this time around.

If there are any other questions I would be happy to oblige. Happy riding everyone.

I have understood that it is challenging to make a garment to that spec, specifically because the price point will be high and thus it will be a niche product.

However, how can Aldi make a jacket + pants for 180 coins, to spec?
- They either decided to do it themselves, why wouldn't another (big) name do so?
- They either bought overstock/etc from someone else. Someone else took a megaloss on the sale?

More in general: my question is about why don't manufacturers believe in the PPE-rating?
Also, which economic calculations & decisions have led you to conclude that you can tackle that challenge?

Maybe that's why a lot of Level 2 gear comes from small boutique brands in UK.

I think major manufacturer is making way more than double of their direct cost. Double is what a retailer mark up.

Just go and have look when your local aldi have them as special buy next time... Their construction looks very tough. They don't have the nice detail features of some major and expensive garments and styling is way off. But they look business when it comes to protections.

It makes a mockery of the rest of the so all PPE manufacturers

The answer to this is a 12,000 word essay so I'll have to get back to you. In short however, it just comes down to consumer education and demand. Why spend extra money and time testing when no one asks? Most people see the armour-in garment and assume it's protective. Very shady practices in this industry. Remember that forum posters are probably the most educated of all consumers.

Oh hell yes.

The brand considered to have the highest margins in the industry is Ralph Lauren (and the 18 associated brands), with a world leading logistics system at 67%.

I'm based in North America so I've never heard of Aldi but what they've done is amazing and I hope it shakes up the industry. One thing to add however is they've achieved this by using a very, very heavily layered bulky garment. From what I can see there is very little regard for comfort, weight and airflow. I'll have to break down the pricing to get a sense of what materials were used and at what margin so I'll address this more in an upcoming giant post.

Cheers!

That would be interesting, I look forward to that.

I don't understand the Aldi-thing at all, business-wise. It makes so little sense that they would develop such a product.