Broke Down 1190AdvR RTW Brasil - Need Help

Hello there,

attached you will find a video that shows the problems I am dealing with.

https://vimeo.com/104243888
Passwort: Startprobleme

I am in Brazil right now. I made this video for the KTM Service in Austria. But well - since it can take a while till they respond, I wanted to show it to you as well. If there is anyone out there that knows about the problem let me know. No KTM dealer in Brasil and next big city 400km away.

The video is German - but the pictures should explain themselves.

It's about two problems. They come and go as they like. Sometimes I am riding the bike for days without problems. Then it's not starting or the other problem. Sometimes it's both - sometimes just one.

The trick with the gasolinetube also works without car. That's just when battery becomes tooo week. I probably don't need to tell you, that this is no fun riding on a RTW.

Last service done 4000 Km ago. Everything was done! I have Unifilter installed. Airbox is clean. I don't know what do check anymore. Since the problems just occur "parttime" it's difficult to locate them. No Error in display.

I had the same problems at the beginning of my trip. After the service it was good for a while. But now it's all coming back.

Tschau Martin

Your video may be in German, but I'm getting a message that it's private, a password is needed to view. Better make sure KTM can view it.

The password is in the OP.
I'd guess the fuel filter. Seems consistent with other folks on the forum that describe similar symptoms.

The Fuel Filter was changed?

I still say the stumbling is the furl filter. Drop the pump, pull the filter......washing out good or run without till you get a new one.

+2 lack of fuel. In addition to cleaning the fuel pump screen, I would remove the fuel petcocks and clean the inside tank screens, I think there is a factory inline fuel filter, I would clean or replace the filter. Don't be surprised if one of your fuel injectors are clogged too. I know you're in Brazil but see if you can find Twin Air or Slipstream fuel filters, these filters are made of a very fine mesh material that is designed to go inside your gas tank.

http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/search?term=fuel+filters

Like others have mentioned, it seems fuel related. Could it be related to the 15-20% ethanol content in the gasoline in Brazil (and possibly some water with it...)? Besides the cleaning fuel line/filter others recommend here, I would suggest emptying the tank and adding fresh fuel as a starting point. Also, the ethanol could have corroded/gummed up the fuel pump...

Could this not be a battery/power issue? Seen as it comes and goes if it was a fuel filter it would be block period and only get worse.

What year model is your R and how old is the battery, my was replaced after 11months/4000km by KTM.

I remember when we ran powerport class we removed the stator and flywheel, kept a full charged battery and ran the race with a single charge till one day I forgot to swop it out in race 2 and my bike ran dead like his does.

If you have bad cable connections or battery, this could happen especially depending how many auxiliaries you have connected at the time like heated grips..seats...gps...etc...

That is not a good advertisement for KTM....battery sounds tired, I'd head for the nearest KTM dealer......

Sell the bike and pick a used 950....

where are you in Brazil now?

I may help you to bind a ktm mechanic and if you need a have a set of fuell filters for my 990 A that I can give to you.

Give me a call 55 19 991137961 (english please)

I am near São Paulo but can ship the filters to you.

Carlos

Outstanding........Adv forum rocks some days

Hi there,

thanks for the ideas. I had the same problems in Chile before. At this time the motorbike was as new.
I don't think it's the gasoline. They sell Ethanol and Gasoline here. All the other BMW, Triumphs whatever also ride that gasoline. Why just KTM has Problems with this?

New Gasfilters are on it's way already. But still confuses me. Why is it working sometimes - and sometimes no? The pressure on the pump seems to be alright as well.
For example! The first part of the video was shot in the afternoon. The morning I was riding the bike as normal. No Problems with power nothing. After a 30 Minute break I had the problems. I filled up gasoline the morning. So - there was no change nothing.

Battery - yes it's week and I already ordered a new one. But why doesn't it start with a carbattery connected? That's maximum power and the cable is good for high currents.

I wonder what KTM will respond.

Cheers Martin

Next dealer prob. more then 3000 miles away. ;-)

Train cargo, then a flight.....? It sound like a two stroke with bad reed valves or crank seal gone. Have you checked the FI bodies and gaiters for leaks....If its a FI electronic issue...where to start without diagnostics....

Martin another idea could be the air vent blocked.

When ever the bike does the thing try to open the gas cap and see if there is a vacum, just another idea.

What is not very clear is that you had the same problem in Chile and there the fuel usually is very good.

The Ethanol fuel here in Brazil usually keeps things very clean the only problem is when you buy bad fuel and they add solvent or water.

Just for the reference my 990A has almost 30k miles and still on the stock gas filters, never had a problem.

Martin try to buy from Petrobras, Shell gas stations.

PS. We have a really good KTM mechanic near my city and he is excellent:

HERBERT MOTOS
Itajubá – MG
Av. Padre Lourenço da Costa, 1586
Tel. (35) 3623-7126
herbertmotos@uol.com.br

Hi

"When ever the bike does the thing try to open the gas cap and see if there is a vacum, just another idea."

I tried this - actually with the old airing cap (there was a TI from KTM) - this worked. But now it seems to be different...

I am in Lencois - so not realy close by - wanted to ride norht - Amazon - Venezuela. But like this thats to risky.

Greetings Martin

Sorry if this sounds ridiculous, but have you been using leaded fuel? Could your cat have been damaged by leaded gas and be causing your 1190 to exhibit strange problems?

-vm

The problems arise when the motor gets hot. It can ran perfectly well, till the temperature rises. Then the fuel temps rise and the fuel pump sucks warm fuel. The pressure drop and high temperature can evaporate fuel and create vapors in the fuel pump. This drops fuel pressure and starves the motor. It also wears the fuel pump. When engine cools off ar fresh cold fuel is pumped in the tanks, things look better.
Cheers.

So - List so far!

1. New Fuelpump
2. New filters
3. New Battery
4. (Starter from SuperDuke)
5. New Gasoline Cap + Airing

any idea how to get this stuff kind of cheap in Brazil?

Greetings Martin

I got this - and makes more sence to me then the airing of the tank!

How would you explain the bad starting then? I don't see why the pump shouldn't work when engine is cold.... -> So - there must be something else. And it seems the 2 problems are not connected

Cheers Martin

They could be two different problems. One seems to definitely be related to fuel pressure.

Sometimes a fuel pump may still be functioning but will not be developing enough fuel pressure at the injector. This may cause hard starting and poor engine performance. A weak pump may deliver enough pressure and flow for low-speed riding but “starve” the engine of fuel when engine speed and load increase, causing the engine to have the problems you have shown on the video.

Sometimes the problem is not the pump, but a fuel pressure regulator (any leaks, gasoline smell?) that can’t maintain adequate pressure to the fuel injectors.

Fuel pump related problems can be intermittent.

Other hard starting problems could be engine compression. Have you checked your valves? But that would not lead to intermittent scenarios.

Is the starting problems related to cold or warm starts? I noticed on your video you have something about "kalt" starts. But I could not understand the rest of it.