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Old 08-11-2014, 11:57 AM   #16
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Good question

The WABDR is easier than Route 5 of the OBCDR, IMHO. They both have their plusses.

I have ridden OBCDR Routes 3, 4, & 5 on a KLR650 while my buddy Dansrc51 was on an F800GS. Other than having to pick up our bikes a couple times, it's do-able. They are all fun! There are plenty of places to camp, stay, and dine on all of the OBCDR routes. Make sure you have your Oregon OHV permit just in case.

We're headed to for the COBDR on Friday so it will be interesting to compare that route too!
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Old 08-11-2014, 01:07 PM   #17
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The WABDR is easier than Route 5 of the OBCDR, IMHO.
BigWan and I did the WABDR and Route 5 OBDR back to back (North to South) and we thought the WABDR was much easier, too.
(we had already done Route 5 before, south to north).
Not only was the riding pretty tame, but the WABDR had a lot of traffic. Lots of blind corners, too.
Had to keep the speeds down and we still almost had a head-on in "the Jungle."


It was a relief to get to the OBDR and pick up the pace.
Didn't really see anyone on the trail from Walla Walla to CA. Just some campers at the Malheur Ford crossing.

I don't remember too many motels on either route...we mostly camp.
The Desert Inn motel in Christmas Valley (OR) is good and cheap. $36 or so.
It's a good place to leave your bags if you want to go play in the dunes.



By the way, if anyone is looking to add some excitement to the OBDR, go check out Crane Mountain at the OR/CA border.
It's outside of Lakeview, OR.
The first time we did the OBDR, we thought Crane Mountain was part of the tracks (looked like it on our GPS).
It's pretty remote, but if you have a buddy and a SPOT, it's a nice addition to the regular tracks.

here's a linky about Crane Mtn
(hey, that's our video!
we were going slow because matt was trying not to dab at all. 2up with luggage)



gets kinda rocky in some sections...




in addition to the rocks, you also go through a couple of meadows





and it ends with a nice trail through the trees.
maybe too boring on a little bike, but we liked it.




Just watch out for snow if you go before August. It sucks in the snow.

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Old 08-12-2014, 09:52 AM   #18
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I agree on lack of markings on OBDR. The organization that "manages" it (if you can call it that), OOHVA, apparently just sits back and collects money from people who choose to buy their (IMO stupid) roll charts rather than just use GPS tracks. I know the actual Back Country Discovery Route group has been trying to get control of it for years but OOHVA doesn't want to let go of it. At least that's how it was explained to me about a year ago by somebody who seemed to know the story.

When I did Route 4, there was a section that I couldn't find at all. The GPS track insisted there was a trail where non existed. I ended up finding a bypass, which was a bit of a rutted uphill ... not real steep, but the ruts were kind of annoying.

I'm eager to go do parts of Route 5, but with all the fires right now, it doesn't seem like there's much point. I think most of Route 4 is closed and so is part of Route 5 on the northern end.

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Old 08-12-2014, 02:43 PM   #19
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I remember the WABDR being way more difficult to navigate as compared to the ORBDR. WABDR had a lot of Y's and steep terrain that made GPS routing challenging at times.
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:23 PM   #20
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OOHVA, apparently just sits back and collects money from people who choose to buy their (IMO stupid) roll charts rather than just use GPS tracks.


When I did Route 4, there was a section that I couldn't find at all. The GPS track insisted there was a trail where non existed. Rob
Don't understand the problem with someone selling roll charts even though free GPS tracks are available? Roll Charts usually have much more information about the route. Just like with TAT.

Whos tracks were you using? All my OBDR Tracks are active logs from people who actually rode it,
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:28 PM   #21
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I remember the WABDR being way more difficult to navigate as compared to the ORBDR. WABDR had a lot of Y's and steep terrain that made GPS routing challenging at times.
Did you try to Navagate Routes or just follow Tracks?

Yes a filtered Track that comes to a fork is a little hard to follow but if you have good maps in your GPS, when you come to a fork, just look down and it should be obvious which one to take.
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No routes, just following tracks. I upgraded my GPS between the WABDR and ORBDR, which probably had a lot to do with easily navigating the ORBDR.
All tracks were downloaded off internet then verified on basecamp/google earth.
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I upgraded my GPS between the WABDR and ORBDR, which probably had a lot to do with easily navigating the ORBDR.


All tracks were downloaded off internet then verified on basecamp/google earth.
What do you mean "upgraded my GPS"? New unit, new firmware, or new maps?

I assume you got Tracks off the Internet but who's & from where?

If you download actual active logs with time stamp, google is kind of waste of time. Most of my tracks are double checked against two or more riders recording them.
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What do you mean "upgraded my GPS"? New unit, new firmware, or new maps?



I assume you got Tracks off the Internet but who's & from where?



If you download actual active logs with time stamp, google is kind of waste of time. Most of my tracks are double checked against two or more riders recording them.

New unit.....went from an old GPS60 with little internal memory and limited map options to a GPSmap62s. Much better.

The tracks I downloaded from somebody at GPSexchange. Then I will double check the tracks against google maps to see what the roads look like and to make sure that there is a road at the track. Sometimes when traveling in canyons or on steep terrain the tracks can be quite a ways off from any actual road, and google earth is an easy way to check the track accuracy for me, YMMV.

If you want both the raw tracks we started from and the finalized set tracks that we used, pm me.
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I agree on lack of markings on OBDR. The organization that "manages" it (if you can call it that), OOHVA, apparently just sits back and collects money from people who choose to buy their (IMO stupid) roll charts rather than just use GPS tracks. I know the actual Back Country Discovery Route group has been trying to get control of it for years but OOHVA doesn't want to let go of it. At least that's how it was explained to me about a year ago by somebody who seemed to know the story.

When I did Route 4, there was a section that I couldn't find at all. The GPS track insisted there was a trail where non existed. I ended up finding a bypass, which was a bit of a rutted uphill ... not real steep, but the ruts were kind of annoying.

I'm eager to go do parts of Route 5, but with all the fires right now, it doesn't seem like there's much point. I think most of Route 4 is closed and so is part of Route 5 on the northern end.

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In 2002 Oregon parks and rec took down the markings thanks to a lawsuit. Complaining about one small section you had to go around and added a bypass that was a bit 'annoying'? really? Oddly, I didn't have any issues doing all 4 routes with only a gps.
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In 2002 Oregon parks and rec took down the markings thanks to a lawsuit. Complaining about one small section you had to go around and added a bypass that was a bit 'annoying'? really? Oddly, I didn't have any issues doing all 4 routes with only a gps.
Yeah, didn't they get sued by OOHVA?

I agree though... I don't have a problem using just a GPS too. Heck for me, it's part of the adventure.

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Yeah, didn't they get sued by OOHVA?

I agree though... I don't have a problem using just a GPS too. Heck for me, it's part of the adventure.

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I should have known. Freakin' environmentalist greenie whackos.

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In 2002 Oregon parks and rec took down the markings thanks to a lawsuit. Complaining about one small section you had to go around and added a bypass that was a bit 'annoying'? really? Oddly, I didn't have any issues doing all 4 routes with only a gps.
I agree, "annoying"?. come on what do you want- I-5 ?. Part of the
" adventure" is figuring out such challenges.
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I should have known. Freakin' environmentalist greenie whackos.

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