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Old 12-24-2012, 02:19 PM   #7546
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I'd seriously recommend against using a K&N (or other mesh type) air filter in a dual-sport bike. They don't work all that well and let in fair bit of dust if you ride in such conditions.

Foam filters are the best. Twinair and others are good.

In any case, the filter type has absolutely minuscule effect on the jetting.
No need to fiddle with the carb based on the filter type.

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Old 12-24-2012, 02:21 PM   #7547
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K&n

If you ride in the dirt, I wouldn't do it. Just not enough protection from dust for my taste. I'd rather get more air by adding a KDX snorkel and use a regular foam filter. Peace of mind that my engine internals are clean vs negligible power gain.
If you do it, you probably can get away with giving it a little more fuel with the A/F screw on the carb, if that is the only mod. The bike comes lean, adding that filter might lean it out more, that's why you might need to adjust the A/F screw.
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:55 AM   #7548
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Nice writeup and pictures!

And good for you taking on the carb and valves as you first time wrenching on a bike It can be scary but is also very rewarding to have done it yourself.

Thanks for taking the time to post the information.

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It was a bit nerve racking but as long as you take your time, anyone can do it. Its much cheaper than going to a dealership even if you have to buy the tools. Thanks for commenting!
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:52 AM   #7549
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klx250 tank on a klx140

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Awesome!
I also doubt the 140 shrouds will work. Maybe the 250 shrouds? With a bit of cutting? A guy could work with that.
Looking forward to seeing the pictures!
Post up pix of all the problems too. There are some clever people here that may have solutions!

Thanks
Finally got around to checking out how the 250 tank fits on the 140. I think the picture below says it all. Unfortunately it will not fit without a lot of persuasion (cutting torch, welder, 5 lb hammer, etc.). Although it appears that angles are similar between the two, that is about the only thing that is remotely close. The 140's frame where the tank sits is shorter and narrower preventing the larger tank from seating any closer than in the picture. The mounting locations between the 2 are reversed (250 screw is on lower end of tank, 140 is on top end of tank). Even with the tank sitting on top of the triples the rear part protrudes past where the 140 tank attaches pushing the seat (which isn't a direct fit to the tank) back too far to be attached at the rear mounting location.
IMO it might be easier to mold a new tank from scratch than to start with the existing klx250 tank. It would have been nice to find a new home for all of those stock tanks sitting in peoples garages, but I guess we'll have to keep looking.


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Old 12-30-2012, 07:04 AM   #7550
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Well like they say.... "A picture is worth a 1,000 words".

I agree with you assessment, thanks for taking the time to check it out.

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Old 12-30-2012, 06:36 PM   #7551
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:28 AM   #7552
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I'm getting close to ordering a set of valves for my KLX forks... anybody know if there's a difference between the Racetech Gold Valves and the ones from Moto Pro? Price difference is negligible.

Also.. anybody know what the install is like? On my DR650, you have to disassemble the forks and drill holes into the damper rods. Is anything similar required for the KLX?

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Old 12-31-2012, 11:44 AM   #7553
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I'm getting close to ordering a set of valves for my KLX forks... anybody know if there's a difference between the Racetech Gold Valves and the ones from Moto Pro? Price difference is negligible.

Also.. anybody know what the install is like? On my DR650, you have to disassemble the forks and drill holes into the damper rods. Is anything similar required for the KLX?

Rob
I have no idea what's involved with installing the gold valves in the KLX, but it's a completely different product than the gold valve emulators for your DR. I had the gold valves in my KLX and they work great. Be sure to get the proper springs for your weight to get the most performance out of your forks.
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:31 AM   #7554
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I'm getting close to ordering a set of valves for my KLX forks... anybody know if there's a difference between the Racetech Gold Valves and the ones from Moto Pro? Price difference is negligible.

Also.. anybody know what the install is like? On my DR650, you have to disassemble the forks and drill holes into the damper rods. Is anything similar required for the KLX?

Rob
Rob there are a couple good write ups over on KF http://www.kawasakiforums.com/forum/klx-250s-71/ . I know TNC did a very thorough write up on the gold valve install. Someone else followed shortly after and posted a lot of good info when they did theirs. Hop over there and do a search.
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ADV is a great forum, but you guys are missing a lot of info if you don't check in over on KF
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:31 AM   #7555
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Rob - on the KLX it's as simple as removing the base valve from the bottom of the fork. It can be done without disassembly of the entire fork.

The only special tool required is a 14mm hex drive to remove the base valve. I could actually leave the KX forks on my KDX 220 - turn it over on it's seat and handlebars (like a bicycle) and remove the base valves with the forks still on.

The goldvalve (or motopro) kit comes with all the shims you'll need plus the new valve itself. I can't remember if it includes a checkplate arrangement for a midvalve or not.

I've read somewhere that the Moto-Pro Ultra-Max kit is freer flowing even than the Racetech kit. The good thing with the Moto-Pro kit is that John (the owner) knows as much or more about the KLX suspension as anyone going.

Either one will make the forks much more plush on the small stuff.
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Old 01-02-2013, 08:51 AM   #7556
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I went with the Race Tech Gold Valve in my '06 KLX fork, but I would have no concern in using John's Moto Pro valving either. They both accomplish the same thing. The stock fork valving sucks when you try to ride real off road with it. There are several good writeups over on the Kawasaki Forum as Dan888 indicated on how to do the job. In addition to the 14mm allen socket for removal of the fork footnut as djchan suggested, you "might" have to have a damper rod holding tool to stick down in the inside of the fork while you remove that footnut. It seems the factory sometimes has an overabundance of threadlocker on some of these footnuts that even using a good air impact wrench won't spin out. I made a holding tool out of an aluminum bicycle seatpost by cutting/grinding 4-prongs into one end, and it probably worked every bit as good as the factory one.

Here's an option for some home mechanics who might be hesitant to disassemble and work on the damper rod assembly once it's out of the fork. If you feel comfortable in opening up the fork to the point of having the two damper rod assemblies in your hands, they can be sent to John at Moto Pro to be revalved for your needs. It would save some labor and shipping costs due to size and weight of the d-rods vs. the whole fork. I think nearly every home mechanic rider should be able to break down their fork so that they can change oil and fork seals which is inevitable at some point. You should only have to crack open the d-rods once for a revalve. While none of it is rocket science, some people look at that d-rod assembly and are intimidated. Just a thought.
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:46 AM   #7557
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Rob - on the KLX it's as simple as removing the base valve from the bottom of the fork. It can be done without disassembly of the entire fork.

The only special tool required is a 14mm hex drive to remove the base valve. I could actually leave the KX forks on my KDX 220 - turn it over on it's seat and handlebars (like a bicycle) and remove the base valves with the forks still on.

The goldvalve (or motopro) kit comes with all the shims you'll need plus the new valve itself. I can't remember if it includes a checkplate arrangement for a midvalve or not.

I've read somewhere that the Moto-Pro Ultra-Max kit is freer flowing even than the Racetech kit. The good thing with the Moto-Pro kit is that John (the owner) knows as much or more about the KLX suspension as anyone going.

Either one will make the forks much more plush on the small stuff.

The KLX forks are an older design, there's no midvalve to worry about. I would go ahead and tear the entire fork apart to replace bushings and seals at the same time, might as well start out with forks that are freshened up so that you can feel the true effects of your new valve/ shim stack.

Have fun, take your time, it'll all go back together just fine. If you don't have a seal driver, buy the Tusk (http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/...er/seal+driver) version, nice an cheap and makes the assembly a lot easier.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:40 PM   #7558
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I have a klx250sf with 9k miles that I have owned for a couple months now, did the dynojet kit, and the manuel tensioner, I was riding around practicing when I noticed that when I shifted up at the very last second of clutch engagement my bike made a crunch noise, I slowed down in first gear to about 5 mph and gassed it and it sounded horrible!!! I though it may be my tensioner needed to be readjusted. Long story short I let the bike get cold and readjusted and rode it around and the symptoms went away.

Has anyone had this issue? Could it be the tensioner was too tight or too lose? Could the bikes oil have gotten too hot just putting around in the parking lot causing the fluid to become to water like thus creating the gear crunching noises? Thanks
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:54 PM   #7559
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I have a klx250sf with 9k miles that I have owned for a couple months now, did the dynojet kit, and the manuel tensioner, I was riding around practicing when I noticed that when I shifted up at the very last second of clutch engagement my bike made a crunch noise, I slowed down in first gear to about 5 mph and gassed it and it sounded horrible!!! I though it may be my tensioner needed to be readjusted. Long story short I let the bike get cold and readjusted and rode it around and the symptoms went away.

Has anyone had this issue? Could it be the tensioner was too tight or too lose? Could the bikes oil have gotten too hot just putting around in the parking lot causing the fluid to become to water like thus creating the gear crunching noises? Thanks
I do know the tensioner can be to tight or too loose. Mark's instructions are to make sure it's not over tightened, there should be a little valve chatter on cold start that should go away once the bike warms. He says it's better to be a 1/8 turn to loose than to tight.

For more info check this thread over at KF: http://www.kawasakiforums.com/forum/...stalled-36477/

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Old 01-09-2013, 07:59 PM   #7560
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Yeah I know, I did that, I just rode with a passenger also that day, I figured the bolt may have worked itself loose or tight or whatever, I did readjust to little clatter when cold, just didn't know if my grinding noise could be another issue. Thank you :)
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