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Old 01-05-2006, 01:29 AM   #151
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They're not ignoring the Dakar. Yamaha has put in quite a package, including ready to race WRF, support trucks at a discount, mechanics, etc etc, and if you look at the riiders, there are a hell of a lot more this year riding Yamaha.

Honda doesn't have anything powerful and reliable enough to compete, nor does Kawa. Neitehr does BMW though, but that doesn't stop people from using beemers.

For the time being KTM is the only real game in town, unless you do have great riders like Fretigne who can come close on their Yamaha. Too bad he stopped using the 2-Trac bike..
Good points Mike, but I'm not too sure about Honda not having the power or reliability....the XR 650 ARRRGh does pretty well in the Baja 1000, but the KTM lc4 based entries can't seem to compete there, Dakar team red bull KTM rider Kellon Walch crashed his KTM at Baja last year and that is why he is not in, I talked to him at the Nevada 200 and he was in quite a bit of pain still with a broken hip.( I met Kevin Buzz Heath at the 200 also,Great guy, I hope he finishes well )
I have even witnessed Johnny Campbell, a tiny rider on a XR 650 arrrgh win a Hare scrambles desert race in California, that is QUITE impressive.......never seen anything like that done on an LC4
Not to argue but it seems like Honda just doesn't want to throw down in Dakar, wonder why....
I still think the LC4 motor is superior to the XRARRGH though, MY LC4 with pump carb beat every XR 650 it took on in a drag race
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Old 01-05-2006, 02:33 AM   #152
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Good points Mike, but I'm not too sure about Honda not having the power or reliability....the XR 650 ARRRGh does pretty well in the Baja 1000, but the KTM lc4 based entries can't seem to compete there, Dakar team red bull KTM rider Kellon Walch crashed his KTM at Baja last year and that is why he is not in, I talked to him at the Nevada 200 and he was in quite a bit of pain still with a broken hip.( I met Kevin Buzz Heath at the 200 also,Great guy, I hope he finishes well )
I have even witnessed Johnny Campbell, a tiny rider on a XR 650 arrrgh win a Hare scrambles desert race in California, that is QUITE impressive.......never seen anything like that done on an LC4
Not to argue but it seems like Honda just doesn't want to throw down in Dakar, wonder why....
I still think the LC4 motor is superior to the XRARRGH though, MY LC4 with pump carb beat every XR 650 it took on in a drag race

True, but the Baja is different from a 3 week gruellinh Dakar. Reliability is the name of the game. The KTM is a great racer, but not a speed bike like the Honda. But it'll keep going no matter what falls off the bike. And that's what counts in the Dakar. Plus however fast you can repair the bike.

I think most people will have relaized that the Dakar is like no other race. The most different fact is that it's long and changes continuously. That's why we see riders win the European stages which would win 'normal' races, but once you get to Africa, things change. Look at Fretigne last year. He won in Europe, but once in Africa he just could make it.
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Old 01-05-2006, 02:42 AM   #153
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"Good points Mike, but I'm not too sure about Honda not having the power or reliability....the XR 650 ARRRGh does pretty well in the Baja 1000, but the KTM lc4 based entries can't seem to compete there... (edited)
... I have even witnessed Johnny Campbell, a tiny rider on a XR 650 arrrgh win a Hare scrambles desert race in California, that is QUITE impressive.......never seen anything like that done on an LC4
Not to argue but it seems like Honda just doesn't want to throw down in Dakar, wonder why...."

It's a matter of the factories putting their money and resources where they feel they will get the best results and exposure from racing efforts at any given time... Racing success has honestly got less to do with the make of bike - and more the quality of the riders and professionalism of the team structure you build up around them - than any other factor. Larry Roessler would win on any of the five "big brands" if you just gave him the time and resources...

Back in the late 80's early 90's "team green" kicked a lot of ass down in Baja with LR and Ty Davis on the KX 500... back then KTM also had a lot of great results in Mexico and the Californian deserts with the late Danny Hamel (here's to ya' - lookin' down on us mate!), Jimmy Lewis, "Scott -a- Hard-on" and the guys at KTM sportmotorcycles - on 2 stroke 540 DXC's... if i remember correctly. In those days the XR 600s were exotic, super fast "time bombs"... every dog has it's day.

As far as Dakar goes; KTM sells the "Rally replica" like LC4 Adventure and LC8 Adventure in bucket loads at the moment... Honda doesn't have a bike of this genré at present... It's a matter of putting the bucks and resources where they give the best results...

... Wonder what Honda are going to do in Baja - now that the XR 650's days are numbered?!
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Old 01-05-2006, 03:22 AM   #154
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It's got nothing to do about which bikes are better, it's all about the money a company is willing to spend. If Honda wanted to they could win the Dakar no problem. They have the knowledge to build a race winning bike and enough cash to buy some of the top riders. BMW won the Dakar on modified GS 650's because they built a good bike and had a very good rider in Sainct. It's just KTM's time because they are the only serious team with a proper Dakar bike. The Yamaha's capacity is too small for an event like Dakar where the speeds are high and the stages long.

I checked the tracking page and there is no info on Boorman or no 215 on the XT 500. Are they still in the race ?
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Old 01-05-2006, 04:47 AM   #155
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Coma, Esteve, Despres and De Gavardo... About 10 minutes behind one man on his own ..

Looking good for an interesting result.

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Four riders together before CP2
Four riders were riding together with 9kms to go before CP2 (km 360) : Coma, Esteve, Despres and De Gavardo... About 10 minutes behind one man on his own : Andy Caldecott.
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Old 01-05-2006, 05:16 AM   #156
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I checked the tracking page and there is no info on Boorman or no 215 on the XT 500. Are they still in the race ?
Apparently Boorman did not start. He crashed yesterday and broke his thumb and some other damage. He's still riding, but now it's pure for the video footage.
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Old 01-05-2006, 05:42 AM   #157
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Stage 6 results

RANKING STAGE 6 BIKE Pos. N° Name Make Time Variation Penalty
1 004 DE GAVARDO (CHI) KTM 04:00:32 00:00:00
2 006 SALA (ITA) KTM 04:03:55 00:03:23
3 003 ESTEVE PUJOL (ESP) KTM 04:04:24 00:03:52
4 005 ULLEVALSETER (NOR) KTM 04:06:03 00:05:31
5 002 COMA (ESP) KTM 04:06:27 00:05:55
6 010 CALDECOTT (AUS) KTM 04:07:16 00:06:44
7 001 DESPRES (FRA) KTM 04:08:45 00:08:13
8 012 FRETIGNE (FRA) YAMAHA 04:08:51 00:08:19
9 021 VILADOMS (ESP) KTM 04:10:46 00:10:14
10 128 AMARAL (POR) KTM 04:11:44 00:11:12
11 023 GRIDER (USA) KTM 04:12:00 00:11:28
12 007 DE AZEVEDO (BRE) KTM 04:12:32 00:12:00
13 009 BLAIS (USA) KTM 04:13:03 00:12:31
14 060 KATRINAK (SLQ) KTM 04:13:16 00:12:44


RANKING OVERALL BIKE Pos. N° Name Make Time Variation Penalty
1 002 COMA (ESP) KTM 18:15:45 00:00:00
2 001 DESPRES (FRA) KTM 18:19:28 00:03:43
3 003 ESTEVE PUJOL (ESP) KTM 18:20:10 00:04:25
4 004 DE GAVARDO (CHI) KTM 18:21:42 00:05:57
5 010 CALDECOTT (AUS) KTM 18:43:28 00:27:43 02:00
6 012 FRETIGNE (FRA) YAMAHA 18:50:13 00:34:28
7 006 SALA (ITA) KTM 18:53:35 00:37:50
8 005 ULLEVALSETER (NOR) KTM 18:57:53 00:42:08
9 060 KATRINAK (SLQ) KTM 19:13:05 00:57:20
10 009 BLAIS (USA) KTM 19:17:56 01:02:11
11 007 DE AZEVEDO (BRE) KTM 19:22:17 01:06:32
12 128 AMARAL (POR) KTM 19:44:05 01:28:20
13 023 GRIDER (USA) KTM 20:05:59 01:50:14
14 021 VILADOMS (ESP) KTM 21:00:00 02:44:15
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Old 01-05-2006, 06:26 AM   #158
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Holy Shit- James Embro had an unbelievable day. Currently shown as 29th on the day...

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Old 01-05-2006, 06:58 AM   #159
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Wow...I'm very impresed by how well (fairly consistent) Blais and Grider are doing...Very impressed indeed. They seem to really be "absorbing" the Dakar pace, and focussing on consistency to the end.



...And, as much as I hate to say it, Robby Gordon seems to be making quite the comeback...looks like he made up almost four hours in the last two days, going from 68th overall to 18th overall...I hate to root for him, but it could get interesting if he can keep it together...
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Wow...I'm very impresed by how well (fairly consistent) Blais and Grider are doing...Very impressed indeed. They seem to really be "absorbing" the Dakar pace, and focussing on consistency to the end.



Aside from Grider's big loss on Stage 4, they've been consistently near the top.

Looks like Despres has a broken Collarbone...
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Old 01-05-2006, 07:11 AM   #161
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The KTM is a great racer, but not a speed bike like the Honda.
By all accounts I've heard, the KTM 660 motor is quite a bit faster than any of the breathed on 650R's out there.

The rumor I've heard is that the factory riders in Baja don't like them much, though, because they seem to swap out and not come back, where the 650R is more forgiving. Despite trying different suspension settings, etc, they haven't been able to tune this out. The joke in Ouray was that if a 660 swaps 3x, just jump off and kiss your ass goodbye- it ain't coming back and you're better off not going down with the ship.

But it is absolutely not a case of the 660 not being fast enough. IMHO, if anything, it has too MUCH motor and gets itself in trouble as a result.

Also, for clarity, Kellon did have a HUGE crash practicing for the San Felipe 250 this spring, which he was still limping from in Ouray. He had a second big crash prerunning for the 1000 this fall, and a resultant concussion took him out of the running for Dakar, which is how Grider got the ride.

All three of those guys- Blais, Grider, and Walch, are fantastic folks who don't have any of the arrogance that seems to be so common in sports superstars, which they assuredly are.
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Old 01-05-2006, 07:17 AM   #162
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Holy Shit- James Embro had an unbelievable day. Currently shown as 29th on the day...

Yay James and Kevin. James is currently (09:11E)shown in 30th place, and Kevin in 49th. This moves James into 54th overall and Kevin at 66th overall. Kevin incurred some type of penalty (24:00)

These guys are awesome in my book.

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Looks like Jonah had a tougher day today- 72nd at the moment. Hope he's OK.

Kevin had a bang up day- 49th.
Charlie finished 77th.

These are some long days- glad to see that they are able to finish them at a reasonable hour.
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Old 01-05-2006, 07:19 AM   #164
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Wow...I'm very impresed by how well (fairly consistent) Blais and Grider are doing...Very impressed indeed. They seem to really be "absorbing" the Dakar pace, and focussing on consistency to the end.



...And, as much as I hate to say it, Robby Gordon seems to be making quite the comeback...looks like he made up almost four hours in the last two days, going from 68th overall to 18th overall...I hate to root for him, but it could get interesting if he can keep it together...
The Red Bull guys are doing great.

Too bad for Despres today.

And yay for Robby, He had to fix his differential 6 times on Tuesday and finished the stage with just two minutes left. Then with his performance on Wednesday he stopped for 25 minutes to check an oil leak and still passed 71 cars on the stage.

By the end of the race even Greg Cifu will root for him (okay, maybe not).
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here is what is said on the DAkar web site:

"According the lastest medical report, Cyril Despres suffers from a collarbone dislocation. It is therefore not broken but the injury is serious. The Frenchman has however decided to continue the Dakar."

He said that maybe some camel grass caught his rear tire and made him fall. He was knocked unconscious for a little bit, the riders behind him stayed with him a bit.
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