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Old 12-05-2006, 05:26 PM   #166
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Sock (1) 14.7 ohms each with one wire which is 7 ft 10 inches long, gauge unknown. I have never seen a wire like this though....see photo of stripped wire.
Thought it might help someone
That wire looks the same as the wire I salvaged from an electric blanket. The resistance seems close too.
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Old 12-05-2006, 05:51 PM   #167
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oh I see, trolling for somebody to build it for you are we?

ok, order up 2 sets of parts and decide what kind of package you want it in and i'm yer huckleberry



I never can remember to order the parts anyway to build myself one

seriously, read thru the whole thread and you see most n00b questions have been answered
I want to make a PWM (see - I read the thread, again!). I'm now looking at Harderkev's post (#118), and I think that gives me a n00b-proof list of things to order for the PWM.

For that price, I can make one for my grip warmers, too! w00t!

Nice try, though, XTPhreak...



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Old 12-05-2006, 07:00 PM   #168
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Here is my Resistance measurements from my Eclipse vest w/collar (1991 vintage)

Vest= 4.0 ohms total with 2 elements @ 7 ohms/8 feet each and the wire looked the same as my socks (as seen 3 posts above)
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Old 12-06-2006, 12:01 AM   #169
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One question that has come to mind while reading the posts - and I haven't seen answered unless I missed it in my haste - has anyone tried running two (or more) wires in parallel inside their garments?
Yes, as described in post #118.
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I decided I would rewire the jacket with two 30' lengths of the 30ga. wire, each covering half the jacket, and wired in parallel.

Final outcome is the jacket has 1.7 ohms resistance, draws 8.5 amps and cranks out a whopping 122 watts at 14.4 volts!!
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I'm now looking at Harderkev's post (#118), and I think that gives me a n00b-proof list of things to order for the PWM.
Thanks PizzaHog, I was beginning to wonder if anyone actually read my posts!

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Old 12-06-2006, 09:04 AM   #170
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I have my jacket completely wired now. As I posted earlier, I tailored the mesh liner to fit snug against my body while allowing the outer shell to keep a loose appearance. I threaded the 30ga. wire between the outer shell and mesh liner, only poking through the liner every few inches to keep the wire in place. The small amount of wire poking through the liner does not burn my bare arms while wearing only a short sleeve shirt.
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Hey Kev! Any pics of the wiring in the mesh you could post?
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Old 12-06-2006, 10:22 AM   #171
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I hope you can see the detail in the pics well enough. There's really not much there to see since I kept the wire primarily routed between the liner and shell of the jacket. I plan to wire up a pair of pants eventually and connect them to the jacket.

Unfortunately I haven't had much opportunity to put the jacket through some really cold riding. My coldest ride was in temps between 10F and 20F but I was so hot from jump-starting my bike while wearing my gear that I didn't need any extra heat!

I can confirm that you need something to insulate the electrics from the ambient temperature. On a test ride I wore only the heated jacket with nothing on over it. It was maybe 50F to 55F outside and although I could feel the heat quite well while standing still, it dissipated quickly once the cool air started running across the outside of my heated jacket.

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Old 12-06-2006, 10:23 AM   #172
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Old 12-06-2006, 10:25 AM   #173
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Here's the pant connector. My main power connector lives in the left outer jacket pocket where it can be out of sight while not in use.
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Old 12-06-2006, 10:41 AM   #174
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Thanks Kev!

I get it now! You just ran the wire between the outer and inner fabric and sewed it in place. I also see the "tailored fit" darts. Pics are great!
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Old 12-06-2006, 11:02 AM   #175
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Although I did use a needle to thread the wire in and out of the liner, I wouldn't call it sewed in place. I used a spot of low temp craft glue where the wire turns around after each pass to keep the liner from bunching if the wire gets pulled.

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Old 12-06-2006, 11:43 AM   #176
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Although I did use a needle to thread the wire in and out of the liner, I wouldn't call it sewed in place. I used a spot of low temp craft glue where the wire turns around after each pass to keep the liner from bunching if the wire gets pulled.

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OH! Ok! That is the black wire, not thread. Got It! Thanks again.
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Old 12-06-2006, 04:26 PM   #177
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Here is my Resistance measurements from my Eclipse vest w/collar (1991 vintage) and Gerbings Socks w/SAE plug (1995 vintage)

Vest= 4.0 ohms



Sock (1) 14.7 ohms each with one wire which is 7 ft 10 inches long, gauge unknown. I have never seen a wire like this though....see photo of stripped wire.


Thought it might help someone

Hmmmm. that is a very helpful post/picture, and certainly gives me some ideas of how get lots of wire into a boot liner..

Thanks!
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Old 12-06-2006, 09:33 PM   #178
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Bump.

I'm gonna start ordering stuff Thurs, and make a trip to the local electronic store this weekend. What I can't get there, I'm getting off the 'net.

FoamOrder.com seems to be the only place I can get 1/2 sheet or by-the-foot neoprene.

Jacket and 12v electric blanket from Target/WallyWorld.

Last minute suggestions?

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Old 12-06-2006, 09:46 PM   #179
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One question that has come to mind while reading the posts - and I haven't seen answered unless I missed it in my haste - has anyone tried running two (or more) wires in parallel inside their garments?
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Yes, as described in post #118.
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Ah, yes. So it is. That's what I get for being in a hurry.
Thanks for the info.
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Old 12-06-2006, 11:07 PM   #180
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All right, all of this activity on the part of you ambitious people made me get my butt in gear. Just 1st gear, mind you, but at least I'm moving.
Found another wire supplier - I'll know how good they are once the wire arrives - Weico Wire & Cable (weicowire.com). Their price is just a bit lower than Mouser, and for 1000' it's much less, so I ordered a 1000' roll of their 2332. It'll all get used eventually.
Gonna try the 32 awg to try controlling wattage a little better with heated boot soles, etc. Also to allow multiple conductors in parallel without having to make each one too long. (Thanks to harderkev for testing the multiple conductors idea already)
Since I have a shelf full of Warm 'n Safe contollers, at least I won't have to hunt down the pieces to make my own PWM, although some day, when I'm retired and have extra time, I'd like to try my hand at it.
Y'all are providing some good info and suggestions here - keep up the good work.
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