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Old 09-26-2006, 04:53 PM   #1
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V-Strom fuel pump issue?

Two people I know have had fuel pump problems.
First one started getting problems at around 28,000 miles or so on his 650.
Second one at 50,000+ on a 1000.
Others have posted about similar problems.
This one just lately.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DL650/message/28478

This is the post if you are not part of the Yahoo 650 group.
Search "bog" and you will get the whole history.

My riding buddy noticed his problem when he used the last 10% of the throttle. Unless you are going pretty fast and really open it up you might
not notice. My riding buddy ran it for about 5,000 miles before it got really
bad and we found what the problem was when we finally swapped tanks.
This is our low tech check to see if you have a potential problem
I'm afraid to check mine. Have 30,000 miles on mine. Good thing I have the extened warranty until March of 2007.

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DL650/message/28082

I believe I am "Das Bog Miester". Forget the ECU thing. Just do as Mike sd.
Remove left side "boomerand" plastic panel, carefully take off fuel line
from tank (do not need to remove or raise tank), put a hose on tank fuel
discharge, run line into a jar. The fuel pump runs for 3 seconds per ignition
key turn. My pump/filter was bad and it dribbled out 3/4 (.75) ounce per key turn (about 2.25 ounces per three turns), Mike's with 20,000 miles and running fine put out around 10 ounces, the new one put out around 12. My symptoms were WOT bog at last 10-15% of throttle especially as the ambiant temperture dropped.
Ran fine under all other conditions. If the fuel volume is good, and the
stream is strom, looks elsewhere.
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Old 09-26-2006, 05:48 PM   #2
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Trade the bike

Changing the fuel filter is way too much trouble, trade off the bike. I cannot believe Suzuki actually puts in a filter that may get dirty and require changing. I bet they sell filters at their parts department and expect customers to actually pay for filters and then change them. First thing you know they will expect customers to change the oil and put gas in the tank.
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Old 09-26-2006, 05:54 PM   #3
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Changing the fuel filter is way too much trouble, trade off the bike. I cannot believe Suzuki actually puts in a filter that may get dirty and require changing. I bet they sell filters at their parts department and expect customers to actually pay for filters and then change them. First thing you know they will expect customers to change the oil and put gas in the tank.
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Old 09-26-2006, 06:18 PM   #4
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The fuel filter is part of the fuel pump.
Fuel filter can't be take apart to be cleaned.
There is a screen at the bottom that can be cleaned but that is not
part of the filter.
Fuel pump has to be pulled from the gas tank. Fuel filter costs about $180. Whole pump with filter costs about $425.
The 1000 guy is working on a procedure to clean out the filter.
If it works I'll post it. First results were promising.
Got the pump to almost normal flow rate but he is checking if the procedure
compromised the integrity of the filter. Pump had a different sound when he put everything back together.
My riding buddy took a hammer to his old filter and found it packed solid
with a brownish rusty looking material. It was packed solid. We were amazed that the pump worked at all.
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Old 09-26-2006, 07:48 PM   #5
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I just got my 650 back together on Sunday, after waiting for a new filter and new pump assembly to ship. The filter caused the bog, while the pump caused idle issues.

I was having that same "last 10% bog", though it seemed to only happen above 6000 RPM. It's definitely fixed, though.

I bet it is your filter.

35k miles, petered out after a Deadhorse/Inuvik (Alaska/N Canada) trip.

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Old 09-26-2006, 08:33 PM   #6
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Fuel filter can't be take apart to be cleaned.
There is a screen at the bottom that can be cleaned but that is not
part of the filter.
My bike only has 7K on it, so I won't be doing this awhile, so maybe someone else who is swapping their filter can try it. A common mod on oilheads is to remove the in-tank filter, shunt between input/output and install a beefy external FI filter. I'm sure we'd all be interested in the results of some exploratory surgery on an old filter, to determine if it's possible to shunt around the element...
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:19 PM   #7
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How often do those of you having fuel pump problems run your tanks low? By low I mean as in on the gas light. This could cause overheating of the pump and premature failure.

For the rust in the filter, do you have rust inside of your tank on bikes that new? I'd talk to Suzuki about their corrosion protection processes. Before installing a new pump, I suggest removing the tank and applying a corrosion protection product to the inside.
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Old 09-27-2006, 07:06 AM   #8
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My 04 1k developed a clogged filter on my way home from Southern Mexico. Symptom was a lack of power under load and inability to go over 90. When I got home, I took out the filter, cleaned the screen and back flushed the filter with gas and air pressure (not too much pressure, just enough to flow gas back through the filter. 10k later and the bike is still running fine.
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Old 09-27-2006, 07:20 AM   #9
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How often do those of you having fuel pump problems run your tanks low? By low I mean as in on the gas light. This could cause overheating of the pump and premature failure.

For the rust in the filter, do you have rust inside of your tank on bikes that new? I'd talk to Suzuki about their corrosion protection processes. Before installing a new pump, I suggest removing the tank and applying a corrosion protection product to the inside.
Our tanks are squeaky clean.
My riding buddy likes to run on fumes and we busted his chops about
him killing the pump. I let it run low but never ran out.
He ran out 2 times.
The filter is obviously the problem
I'm going to check the flow and if it's low I'll pull it an reverse flush it
but only when my extended warranty runs out.
If it's low I'll take it to Suzuki and see if it's covered.
Being a filter, I doubt it.
It seems like this is going to be an "issue" for a bike
that up to this point did not seem to have any issues.
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Old 09-29-2006, 11:49 AM   #10
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Eh?

Most of the people talking about fuel pump problems have auxillary tanks and maybe have occasionally ran the pump dry before switching the fuel over. We'll just have to watch and see what's going to happen, but I don't think there's any evidence yet that this is going to be the "issue" for the weestrom.
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Old 06-08-2009, 03:21 PM   #11
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Pump/Filter

I've got an '04 with 64K on it, original owner...I've never run out of gas but have run to fumes very often. I noticed for the first time yesterday the 10% on top loss. I will be doing the MN1000 in a couple weeks and surfed in to see how people are dealing with this problem. Looks like I better save some pennys for a pump, but before the rally (at least) check/clean screen.

? - How long (worst/average) from first noticing a drop in power...to actual failure of pump - ?

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Old 06-08-2009, 10:20 PM   #12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OTB
My 04 1k developed a clogged filter on my way home from Southern Mexico. Symptom was a lack of power under load and inability to go over 90. When I got home, I took out the filter, cleaned the screen and back flushed the filter with gas and air pressure (not too much pressure, just enough to flow gas back through the filter. 10k later and the bike is still running fine.
A bike that says "hey - i'm not feeling quite right..." and then allows you the time to get back home and fix the problem on your terms.......
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:50 AM   #13
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There is a mod posted over on the VStrom forum that allows you to bypass the internal fuel filter and install a cheap and easy to replace external one.
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Old 06-09-2009, 05:44 AM   #14
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There is a mod posted over on the VStrom forum that allows you to bypass the internal fuel filter and install a cheap and easy to replace external one.
which forum?

EDIT: found it. http://www.vstrom.info/Smf/index.php/topic,6105.0.html
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Old 06-28-2010, 05:11 PM   #15
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I need to ask you guys... my 2002 dl1000 is having power loss issues around 6Krpms and up.. IF I twist the throttle slow the bike will continue to accelerate fine, BUT if I open the throttle rapidly, it will sort of "stall" and loose power... at cold temps or in the morning the issue gets worse... as soon as it warms up the problem starts to "fade"...

Can somebody tell me if I'm having fuel pump issues or injection problems?.. of course I will take it to Suzuki tech, but I want to have a close verdict for them so that they don't start wondering....

Thank you all!!!

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