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Old 03-13-2010, 09:59 AM   #15106
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yes but

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I don't like to say this knowing it doesn't help, but that's why I do all my own work; too many tales of incompetent shops(even some dealer shops!) screwing things up.
Time was an issue, with 2 young kids. And I have never split a case before, which made me hesitant. Most of what I've done has been on automobiles.

And of course the business owner said "that's what everyone says" in a very snide tone

Mistakes happen, and if it is your profession, the proper thing to do is fix your mistake.
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Old 03-13-2010, 10:15 AM   #15107
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might look at the rider,,,,,,,,,,,,,, dude loose that ass you'll be amazed how much faster you'll go

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Old 03-13-2010, 11:24 AM   #15108
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I don't like to say this knowing it doesn't help, but that's why I do all my own work; too many tales of incompetent shops(even some dealer shops!) screwing things up.
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Old 03-13-2010, 12:15 PM   #15109
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might look at the rider,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I was outside our local cycle gear and here rides up this dude on a 650l and had everything strip off and was point out what he had done to make lighter and faster,,,,,,,, this dude had to be pushing 350lbs. could help but think, dude loose that ass you'll be amazed how much faster you'll go.

can't say much i'm 275
Very true statement about the rider weight but... every six months or so I lose stupid amounts of weight to meet the standard, and I am close to my goal weight of 191 (I was 275 January first ). It's amazing how much better your fuel milage gets and how much lighter the front wheel is when you drop that much weight . I had a guy on my last ship that sounds like the guy you mentioned Danny, but he rode crotch rockets (always with his butt crack showing) it was pretty funny.


ANYWAY... I have been reading a few other things and I guess for the results I want I need to drop the rotating mass. It seems like the first place that I can make a change without any negative effect and actually gain some capability. I'm talking about the nuetech tubliss system that has been mentioned quite a few times here before. I guess I'll just add those to the list...

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Old 03-13-2010, 12:28 PM   #15110
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Finally found a way to make my XR look clean again.

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Old 03-13-2010, 12:47 PM   #15111
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So I have been wondering what some of the best ways to drop more weight off the XR650L are. I'm not talking about going to the extent of replacing every bolt with titanium, but what batteries are lighter than stock, maybe lighter forks or wheels. I can't weld or do anything amazing like Kubiak but I've been looking at the bike and can't help but think there must be a way to drop more weight, I just can't figure out where to drop it without sacrificing more than the weight loss is worth. FWIW I am aware of the two unfortunate three way rules:

1. Strong, Light, Cheap pick two
2. Fast, Reliable, Cheap pick two



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One thing I was thinking about doing is replacing the battery box and steel frame with a smaller aluminum plate and XR600 side panel. Then mount the electrics to it and then move the battery, which would be replaced with the CRF/YZF/DRZ/RMZ battery that I would also relocate. I'm thinking this might lose around 5-10 lbs, but more importantly is loosing the weight up high, which should make it handle better.

Another project I'm thinking about doing is replacing the forks. But, instead of going the usual direction I have the ability to score a complete front end from a KDX250 (43mm upside down cartridge similar to the KLX250/300). The only real advantage is they would be it would be CHEAP. I'm just not sure the benefit would out weigh the effort.
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Old 03-13-2010, 01:35 PM   #15112
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Can anyone explain the roles of the Throttle Stop Screw and Pilot Screw? Also, which should be used to adjust idle. Sorry for the carb-n00b questions, I'm just interested in how everything works.
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Old 03-13-2010, 02:04 PM   #15113
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One thing I was thinking about doing is replacing the battery box and steel frame with a smaller aluminum plate and XR600 side panel. Then mount the electrics to it and then move the battery, which would be replaced with the CRF/YZF/DRZ/RMZ battery that I would also relocate. I'm thinking this might lose around 5-10 lbs, but more importantly is loosing the weight up high, which should make it handle better.
I like the idea of the the lighter smaller battery but since I ride year round I have to keep high CCA for those cold mornings. I looked at doing something similar as what you are talking about with the electronics but in the end it just made more sense to me to put everything in the airbox. That way you lose the steel tube and the box back there plus all of the plastic from the air filter to the carb. As for my side panels, well I got rid of those too. They're in my shed. I made some panels that use the original mounting screws and they have worked out great. I had to trim the panel side of the airbox to make it flush with the panel then install weather stripping to keep it water resistant, and again I have had no issues. I'd post a pic for you but I'm on my ship right now and posting pics just plain ain't possible, but tomorrow I can send you some if want. Just let me know.


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Old 03-13-2010, 02:04 PM   #15114
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I've also thought about removing the battery box, especially since it leaks anyway, and moving the fuses and such into the airbox. I want to get a small battery and saw one a while ago on one of these sites. It was a very small lithium type, anybody else see it? I didn't save the site and did some searching, but can't find it.
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Old 03-13-2010, 02:12 PM   #15115
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I've also thought about removing the battery box, especially since it leaks anyway, and moving the fuses and such into the airbox. I want to get a small battery and saw one a while ago on one of these sites. It was a very small lithium type, anybody else see it? I didn't save the site and did some searching, but can't find it.
I'm using the stock one in the air box. If you want to check it out let me know. I guess riding tomorrow is shot but it kinda works out cause I'm going to make some beer instead.

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Old 03-13-2010, 02:33 PM   #15116
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Can anyone explain the roles of the Throttle Stop Screw and Pilot Screw? Also, which should be used to adjust idle. Sorry for the carb-n00b questions, I'm just interested in how everything works.
The throttle stop screw adjusts the blade in the airstream after the slide to control the ammount of air the engine gets at idle...

The air screw,,is actually a fuel screw that adjusts the ammount of fuel you get at idle,,enriching or leaning the idle mixture...this also affects how lean/rich the bike is on deceleration ...

I could be wrong but i think the fuel screw also is in play at small throttle openings in conjunction with the pilot jet....

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Old 03-13-2010, 02:40 PM   #15117
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The throttle stop screw adjusts the blade in the airstream after the slide to control the ammount of air the engine gets at idle...

The air screw,,is actually a fuel screw that adjusts the ammount of fuel you get at idle,,enriching or leaning the idle mixture...this also affects how lean/rich the bike is on deceleration ...

I could be wrong but i think the fuel screw also is in play at small throttle openings in conjunction with the pilot jet....

B
Thanks techforlife. So... since I installed FMF Q4 pipe, I've been getting a lot of popping on decel. Before I go up a pilot jet size, it sounds like I should adjust the pilot screw. I understand that more than 3 turns out indicates the need to go up to a bigger jet.
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Old 03-13-2010, 02:41 PM   #15118
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Xr650/628l

The Baja 1000 is looming in the distant future-Have to do it again,somemore.
Have been taking inventory and decided to build an XR628L.
I have an XR600 engine with the parts to build the 628 kit and a complete rolling chassis.Also an XR650L engine for spares for my XRL.
Last years 1000 we rode an '07 XR650R--Great bike but no "E" button.
Sooooo.............With a butt load of time and money I'm building an electric start XR628R.Reasoning-ALL values are stock configuration.
Weight:XR650l-324 lbs.
XR650r-277 lbs
XR600R-272 lbs
Horsepower:XR650L-28
XR650R-40
XR600R-46
Modified horsepower:XR650L-55+
XR650R-60(HRC)
XR600R-65+(HRC 628 kit)
I also have XR650 forks and shock(done by Precision Consepts).
How To?---Install XR600 trans etc in XRL cases.Modify L lefthand crank half to accept e start sprag clutch.
Use L cylinder,100 mm bore,and 600 crank,80 mm stroke= 628.320 cc.
Use 600 stator and dual sport rectifier/regulator an an Ebattery.
I have weighed all the parts to be used and the finnished package will be an electric and kick start, 65 HP, 278 lb.(dry) XR628L.
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Old 03-13-2010, 02:43 PM   #15119
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well I got my bike back, again, the valve rocker cover was leaking when I picked it up the first time and the carb was screwed up (something with the choke, I think). Oh and the bike ran fine prior to the work, no noticeable oil use etc.

Originally I took it in to add the nx 2nd gear and kick starter (it got rings and a hone too). Well the first head gasket did not seal, he fixed that there before I picked it up.

So I have the bike back for the 2nd time, started it before I took it home, sounded good. Got it home, warmed it up that night, then warmed it up the next day before taking it for a ride. I decided to check the oil, it should be fine, but what the hay. No oil in the tank, I can hear it run down the downtube portion of the tank. CRAP.... What the hell.

I added around 1.75 qts of oil, now it reads half way up the dip stick. Now, of course, I am mad. The shop owner is being a dick, and I think I am already hearing valve noises. (I'm mad... maybe I'm thinking it sounds louder than normal)

So I notified a different shop about my problems, and they said to bring it in and they will do a quick assessment of how it sounds for free, no appointment needed.

This sucks.
Sorry to hear Joe has gone down hill, he used to be one of the better shops. Where you taking it to get it liked at? Take it to Motorcycle Performance on University and ask fir WJ and tell him Mike Weber sent you. They should take great care of you and it's a good shop.

I ran my XR250 once with about a cup of oil in it; not a huge deal after all the freaking I did about it but it DEFINITLEY isn't right.

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Old 03-13-2010, 02:55 PM   #15120
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The Baja 1000 is looming in the distant future-Have to do it again,somemore.
Have been taking inventory and decided to build an XR628L.
I have an XR600 engine with the parts to build the 628 kit and a complete rolling chassis.Also an XR650L engine for spares for my XRL.
Last years 1000 we rode an '07 XR650R--Great bike but no "E" button.
Sooooo.............With a butt load of time and money I'm building an electric start XR628R.Reasoning-ALL values are stock configuration.
Weight:XR650l-324 lbs.
XR650r-277 lbs
XR600R-272 lbs
Horsepower:XR650L-28
XR650R-40
XR600R-46
Modified horsepower:XR650L-55+
XR650R-60(HRC)
XR600R-65+(HRC 628 kit)
I also have XR650 forks and shock(done by Precision Consepts).
How To?---Install XR600 trans etc in XRL cases.Modify L lefthand crank half to accept e start sprag clutch.
Use L cylinder,100 mm bore,and 600 crank,80 mm stroke= 628.320 cc.
Use 600 stator and dual sport rectifier/regulator an an Ebattery.
I have weighed all the parts to be used and the finnished package will be an electric and kick start, 65 HP, 278 lb.(dry) XR628L.



The XRL crank is actually longer on the left side for the start gear. If you want the XR stroke install a XR rod on a XRL crank.

The XR trans will bolt straight in the XRL
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