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[MentalGuru]

Originally Posted by my6

Google "Mercury Girl".....oh Yessssss

Nice....



She's the Wipe Out chick too.

[Schultz!]

Originally Posted by fritzcoinc

What I want to know about your days at Ford is, are there really as many hot female engineers running around as is shown in the commericals? AND, what happen to the Mercury chick?

And my $.02. Sag is a rubbish method to set suspension. Measuring the sag does not yield a repeatable measurement result. measuring the overall length of the spring does.

Depended on the department, I had a extremely attractive power train engineer (female you silly bastages) ask me how a clutch worked one day
and unfortunately the Mercury chick went the way of the name plate, scrapped....


For discussions sake i'll bite on the sag comment

Setting sag is more or less setting the ride height up for optimum damper movement and control. We performed basically the same procedures on the test vehicles but needed a alignment rack to allow for free suspension movement. First we would unload the vehicle of any added weight (test equipment load boxes ect ect to mimic a show room vehicle) make sure the gas was full and pull the vehicle on the rack. Once the pins were removed from the floating plates we would jounce the vehicle up and down release it and wait for the suspension to settle. The measurement was usually from the outer ball joint or lower bushing to the inner control arm/link joint or bushing, the difference being the ride height. The problem with only measuring spring height is that it does not account for the suspensions "working ratio" as I like to call it, almost everything short of a beam axle with the springs directly in line with the axle tube or Forks on the motorcycles front end will have a suspension ratio. For instance raising the strut perch on a Escape 8mm would yield a 10mm increase in ride height due to the ratio of the control arm, were as putting a 10mm spring shim in a 4wd F350 equals 10mm increase in ride height. Reasons why Sag measurements seem unrepeatable can be to not paying attention to the details like fuel, gear, ect ect. and also not taking in to account the amount of "sticktion" created in the system (linkage, bushings, shock ect ect) by either jouncing the suspension with the rider off or on will create variations, hell holding both of the brakes on will throw the measurement off. The biggest thing is to try and get repeatable measurements before deciding to adjust one way or another. This seems like the best method I have found and might improve your repeatability http://www.triumphnet.com/st/acc/racetech/setup.htm .

Just measuring the Spring may seem more repeatable but it is also much less acurate as your not taking into account the suspension ratio (usually more movement at the wheel end vs the shock)

[ShooterDave]

Originally Posted by MentalGuru

All day? Sure.

There are a bunch of different seats available. Was SHOOTERDAVE on a stock seat???

A fifty state tour would be a bit much. That tour on a XRL is too much for me also.

You started this tangent..

Yes I was on a stock seat. Well mostly. I cut an inch out and added an inch of that foam you can get as a kneeling pad for gardening. I also made it a little wider. Granted I ended up sitting further forward than the part I made wider so go figure. However I would totally get a different seat if I got that bike, but I'd never get that bike.

[ShooterDave]

Originally Posted by mcma111

Yes he was. But he doesn't have any ass.

Or buns of steel.

[fritzcoinc]

Originally Posted by Schultz!

Depended on the department, I had a extremely attractive power train engineer (female you silly bastages) ask me how a clutch worked one day
and unfortunately the Mercury chick went the way of the name plate, scrapped....


For discussions sake i'll bite on the sag comment

Setting sag is more or less setting the ride height up for optimum damper movement and control. We performed basically the same procedures on the test vehicles but needed a alignment rack to allow for free suspension movement. First we would unload the vehicle of any added weight (test equipment load boxes ect ect to mimic a show room vehicle) make sure the gas was full and pull the vehicle on the rack. Once the pins were removed from the floating plates we would jounce the vehicle up and down release it and wait for the suspension to settle. The measurement was usually from the outer ball joint or lower bushing to the inner control arm/link joint or bushing, the difference being the ride height. The problem with only measuring spring height is that it does not account for the suspensions "working ratio" as I like to call it, almost everything short of a beam axle with the springs directly in line with the axle tube or Forks on the motorcycles front end will have a suspension ratio. For instance raising the strut perch on a Escape 8mm would yield a 10mm increase in ride height due to the ratio of the control arm, were as putting a 10mm spring shim in a 4wd F350 equals 10mm increase in ride height. Reasons why Sag measurements seem unrepeatable can be to not paying attention to the details like fuel, gear, ect ect. and also not taking in to account the amount of "sticktion" created in the system (linkage, bushings, shock ect ect) by either jouncing the suspension with the rider off or on will create variations, hell holding both of the brakes on will throw the measurement off. The biggest thing is to try and get repeatable measurements before deciding to adjust one way or another. This seems like the best method I have found and might improve your repeatability http://www.triumphnet.com/st/acc/racetech/setup.htm .

Just measuring the Spring may seem more repeatable but it is also much less acurate as your not taking into account the suspension ratio (usually more movement at the wheel end vs the shock)

The forging company I worked for made the FN-10 steering spindle forging. We made, exact number, 1 million of them.
I am appaled to hear an ex Ford engineer, WITH Q-1 AND QS9000 training, tout a measurement system that has low repeatability.
You must have been cutten SPC classes to hang with Jill.

I agree with the sag measurement method you and the hot babes at Ford used on a car or truck. But on a bike the spring length is best. Regardless of how you do it there is just too much variance between sag measurements to make it a reliable control. In measuring the length of the spring it's easy to get extreamely close measurements to desired. You must of course have some starting range, like Honda gives. And that may be an application for engineers and hot babs at Honda to work out on a test stand.

If more pre load is needed for the extra gear taken on a trip shorten the spring and record the length that worked best. After the trip set back to the original length measurement and your done. This measurement can easely be made to 1/64" accuracy. If for no other reason the spring length method is better because it is faster to accomplish. I wager that sag can not be measured to within 1/2" accuracy.

And that remindes me, does anybody make a external pre-load adjustment device for a Showa shock?

[fritzcoinc]

He said Buns.
http://www.google.com/search?q=buns+of+steel&hl=en&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=n2PCUNTZJpP7yAGe-ICwBA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1280&bih=878

[sc-razor]

My mind just will not let me understand all of the suspension jargon no matter how much I read or study it. I just know I put in the recommended heavy springs, the compression dampeners are set to full soft, the rebound on the shock is set to full fast because that's the only way the rear tire will stay hooked to the ground through stutter bumps AND IT SUCKS ASS!!!!! I HATE IT!!!!!!

[fritzcoinc]

Originally Posted by sc-razor

My mind just will not let me understand all of the suspension jargon no matter how much I read or study it. I just know I put in the recommended heavy springs, the compression dampeners are set to full soft, the rebound on the shock is set to full fast because that's the only way the rear tire will stay hooked to the ground through stutter bumps AND IT SUCKS ASS!!!!! I HATE IT!!!!!!

Clam down. Come back from the cliff edge. It's OK. Just try different settings. The heavy springs can be set on the soft side. Keep notes of changes and how they performed and you will get there. Do you think Red Bull wins all the F1 races with just dumb luck? It takes trial, error, evaluation, and re-trial.

Do you want Jill to help ya?

[sc-razor]

Originally Posted by fritzcoinc

Clam down. Come back from the cliff edge. It's OK. Just try different settings. The heavy springs can be set on the soft side. Keep notes of changes and how they performed and you will get there. Do you think Red Bull wins all the F1 races with just dumb luck? It takes trial, error, evaluation, and re-trial.

Do you want Jill to help ya?

Now there's an idea. Or I am sure losing about 60lbs wouldn't hurt either.

[MentalGuru]

Originally Posted by fritzcoinc

Do you want Jill to help ya?

Can Jill help me too?????

[fritzcoinc]

Originally Posted by sc-razor

Now there's an idea. Or I am sure losing about 60lbs wouldn't hurt either.

Yeah, there ya go.
Try lite beer?

[fritzcoinc]

Originally Posted by MentalGuru

Can Jill help me too?????

Just a second, I'll check, I gota find the new speed dial number I made for her.

[MentalGuru]

Originally Posted by sc-razor

Now there's an idea. Or I am sure losing about 60lbs wouldn't hurt either.

Hey there, watch it!!! I resemble that remark...

[MentalGuru]

Originally Posted by fritzcoinc

Yeah, there ya go.
Try lite beer?

Lite beer??? Is that for drinkin two fisted???

[MentalGuru]

Originally Posted by fritzcoinc

Just a second, I'll check, I gota find the new speed dial number I made for her.

SWEET!!! I call Conducter!!!