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Old 08-31-2010, 03:48 PM   #61
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I've never owned a bike with more than 750cc but ever since the Blackbird came out I've been wondering...I made (or make) all sorts of excuses not to "go there", like lean forward/lowish bars and an appetite for rear tires. But Heli Bars would solve the ergo's and when I see what they go for used, the tire thing is less of an issue, as the lesser cost, in a way, subsidizes tires. I'm getting to the point in my life I realize I've never owned a top shelf bike. Sure, I've had a few BMW K75's and a F650, but somehow they can't compare. I'm talking about massive power in a throughly compentent and sane chassis. I'm old enough not to squid out on such a thing and would completely appreciate the power and capabilities. I'm thinking growing old I may never have the chance to ride/own something like this.

So, say at crusising at 75-80, (loafing on this bike) what's the gas mileage? With sane accelleration and keeping the cruise speeds at the above mentioned pace about how long might a tire last? If that's how I ride, at elast most of the time, is this bike complete over kill? And yes, I suppose the saying "if you have to ask you can't afford it" might apply, but I'm curious.
I was exactly where you are (if you look at my profile you'll see my string of middle-weight motorcycles). All I can say is, I love this "top-shelf" sports-tourer. The 'bird does not eat tires like other hyper-bikes. You should average around 40 MPG, mixed riding. One of the great characteristics of this motorcycle is that you don't have to explore all of its power to enjoy it. As you're coming from middle-weights, you'll really savor the experience of twisting the throttle just a smidge in top gear, and passing whatever is in the way in what seems like milliseconds.
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Old 08-31-2010, 04:11 PM   #62
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Doing my daily due dilligence in a casual search for a CBR1100XX in today's craigslist I found but one them. With a turbo. "faster than many airplanes". Well, that's a little beyond my desires.

I'm getting 47 mpg out of my '79 Yamaha SR500. So 40 mpg out of the XX is fine & dandy. (Is that the injected version mileage?) And I've also been thinking of a gen 1 FZ1, so I don't think the mileage or tire situation would be much worse than a FZ1. What's the valve inspection/adjustment interval on the XX?
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Old 08-31-2010, 04:26 PM   #63
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Doing my daily due dilligence in a casual search for a CBR1100XX in today's craigslist I found but one them. With a turbo. "faster than many airplanes". Well, that's a little beyond my desires.

I'm getting 47 mpg out of my '79 Yamaha SR500. So 40 mpg out of the XX is fine & dandy. (Is that the injected version mileage?) And I've also been thinking of a gen 1 FZ1, so I don't think the mileage or tire situation would be much worse than a FZ1. What's the valve inspection/adjustment interval on the XX?
Where do you live? Are you willing to travel? I see good ones around here once in a while.

As for valve inspections and related:

"'I've seen Blackbirds with over a million miles on them, the engine is superbly reliable,' says John Smith. 'The book says check the shims at 16,000 miles but you don't need to look at them until 64,000 in my experience. I recommend an oil and filter change every 8000 miles, airfilter at 12,000 and plugs at 16,000 miles if your bike is pre-digital dash, 32,000 if it it post. I can honestly say I have never seen a piston wear out on a Blackbird...amazingly reliable.'" Performance Bikes, May 2010, page 90.

I'll bump another related thread or two for your perusal, keep on the lookout.
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Old 08-31-2010, 05:29 PM   #64
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I've never owned a bike with more than 750cc but ever since the Blackbird came out I've been wondering...I made (or make) all sorts of excuses not to "go there", like lean forward/lowish bars and an appetite for rear tires. But Heli Bars would solve the ergo's and when I see what they go for used, the tire thing is less of an issue, as the lesser cost, in a way, subsidizes tires. I'm getting to the point in my life I realize I've never owned a top shelf bike. Sure, I've had a few BMW K75's and a F650, but somehow they can't compare. I'm talking about massive power in a throughly compentent and sane chassis. I'm old enough not to squid out on such a thing and would completely appreciate the power and capabilities. I'm thinking growing old I may never have the chance to ride/own something like this.

So, say at crusising at 75-80, (loafing on this bike) what's the gas mileage? With sane accelleration and keeping the cruise speeds at the above mentioned pace about how long might a tire last? If that's how I ride, at elast most of the time, is this bike complete over kill? And yes, I suppose the saying "if you have to ask you can't afford it" might apply, but I'm curious.
If you have longer legs you'll need new pegs, that was my one gripe with the ergonomics. As for MPG I don't think I was really easy on it too often but mid-high 30's seems about right.
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Old 08-31-2010, 05:34 PM   #65
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SF area. AZ wouldn't be so far for a fly & ride and doable year round. After a year of unemployment I'm thinking of treating myself to, well, a treat....should things change. I can check Phoenix craigslist when I decide to shop. While I am sure it is a great engine I kinda doubt anyone has a million miles on one of them, that would be at a minimum 71k a year, or 1183 hours @ 60 mph. But again, if you're averaging 120 mph, why, that's a much more managble 591 hours a year, (3.5 hours a day). Like, I'm sure.
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:38 AM   #66
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SF area. AZ wouldn't be so far for a fly & ride and doable year round. After a year of unemployment I'm thinking of treating myself to, well, a treat....should things change. I can check Phoenix craigslist when I decide to shop. While I am sure it is a great engine I kinda doubt anyone has a million miles on one of them, that would be at a minimum 71k a year, or 1183 hours @ 60 mph. But again, if you're averaging 120 mph, why, that's a much more managble 591 hours a year, (3.5 hours a day). Like, I'm sure.
Yes, "over a million miles" is fairly "over the top", so perhaps it was a figure of speech. But, "John Smith runs JAWS Motorcycles who specialise in all things Blackbird." Here's his web site, you could ask him directly.

There are a couple of ads running right now: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/mcy/1860995524.html and http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/mcy/1886491125.html, but they seem a bit fishy. You could contact, and if it seems real, I could confirm.

You'd be doing a reverse of my fly-and-ride! I flew up with my family to visit my brother and his wife in Carmel for a week, purchased an XX in Salina after a short test ride, rode with the seller along the Pacific Coast Highway around Big Sur later in the week, then rode back while my family flew. I actually arrived home earlier than my family! Well, OK, they had a later start, had to return a rental car, and so on. ~laughs~
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:39 AM   #67
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If you have longer legs you'll need new pegs, that was my one gripe with the ergonomics. As for MPG I don't think I was really easy on it too often but mid-high 30's seems about right.
I have a 32" inseam, but generally wear 34" pants (though 33", if I could find them, would be perfect).
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Old 09-01-2010, 06:22 AM   #68
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I've never owned a bike with more than 750cc but ever since the Blackbird came out I've been wondering...I made (or make) all sorts of excuses not to "go there", like lean forward/lowish bars and an appetite for rear tires. But Heli Bars would solve the ergo's and when I see what they go for used, the tire thing is less of an issue, as the lesser cost, in a way, subsidizes tires. I'm getting to the point in my life I realize I've never owned a top shelf bike.
Might want to consider using VFR VTEC bars instead. Seems like they make a big difference in comfort without the need for extensive modification, and without spoiling the looks of the bike.
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Old 09-01-2010, 06:35 AM   #69
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I had an 03 Blackbird. Best bike I ever owned, sorry I sold it, but I had too little self control over the right hand. I put about 60000km on it commuting and sport touring. For more comfort I put on Buell foot pegs to lower them about 1 inch. Because they don't have the extra long hero blobs, cornering clearance is not an issue. I moved the bars up on the fork tubes and rotated them back a little. Experiment with this, it makes a difference. I put on a corbin seat and liked it (mixed reviews from others). Occasionally I'd also put a thin sheepskin pad on the seat for a bit more leg room, and comfort on the hot days. I also tried a couple of different windscreens including the MRA Vario touring screen but always went back to the OEM screen for comfort and quiet. On long tours I kept a full tank bag on the tank and would lay on it for a sofa like ride. All this combined with a plug for heated vest, heated grips and a radar detector made for ultra smooth, ultra fast, very comfortable cruises.
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Old 09-01-2010, 08:09 AM   #70
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My dad, brother and I took a mostly stock Blackbird with 22,000 miles on it to the Bonneville Salt Flats two weeks ago. The only mods = new tires, a Muzzy exhaust (which got us thrown out of the stock P-P class unfortunately), a Power Commander 3, new cams (I think) and we removed the brake pads for less friction (seemed to give us a couple extra mph as the week wore on).

My brother hit 180. I got her to 175 on the 3-mile course. We were the only BBird there, as far as I know. They've been supplanted by the Busa mainly because the XX gets a class penalty. (You're lumped into the 1350cc class with all the Busas.)

Still, for a stock bike with that much mileage, we were DAMN happy. That engine is buttery smooth and the chassis is insanely confidence inspiring. We were right up there in top speed with some of the much newer stock (P-P class) liter bikes like the S1000RR and CBR1000RR.

We didn't set any records but we left happy. And the thrill of pinning that bike in sixth gear for 3 miles straight while you try to get as aerodynamic as possible.... incredible.
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:09 PM   #71
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I think I should try and do a sit & fit on the XX before seriously looking into buying one. Lowish bars don't bother me that much, and VFR VTEC bars might be good too (also, Heli-Bars are still lower than I typically use) but lowish bars typically don't hurt my wrists (except around town and extended riding with low speed and tight curves) but instead tends to cause neck problems. With a forward lean and keeping the head more upright puts a bit of a crick into the neck. With this, and the possibility of a wind screen not providing optimum airflow that fits my 5'9" size, along with higher speeds, this could really aggravate the neck issue. I'm 50+, fit and really have never figured myself on a full upright bike (e.g. Gold Wing posture). The next XX I see I guess I'm going to have to ask and sit on the thing without coming off like a dweeb.
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:28 PM   #72
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A nice secure tank bag can allow rider to take weight off wrists/hands.

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Old 09-01-2010, 05:42 PM   #73
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I think I should try and do a sit & fit on the XX before seriously looking into buying one. Lowish bars don't bother me that much, and VFR VTEC bars might be good too (also, Heli-Bars are still lower than I typically use) but lowish bars typically don't hurt my wrists (except around town and extended riding with low speed and tight curves) but instead tends to cause neck problems. With a forward lean and keeping the head more upright puts a bit of a crick into the neck. With this, and the possibility of a wind screen not providing optimum airflow that fits my 5'9" size, along with higher speeds, this could really aggravate the neck issue. I'm 50+, fit and really have never figured myself on a full upright bike (e.g. Gold Wing posture). The next XX I see I guess I'm going to have to ask and sit on the thing without coming off like a dweeb.
Good idea! I sat on two during my research and contemplation phase. Then, I test rode the one I bought.

The change in ergonomics from the Honda 599 to the XX was somewhat dramatic, but I became comfortable in short order.
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:53 PM   #74
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I didn't mind some lower set bars on some bikes. The stock K75S bars, they worked well, at least on the road, (around town wasn't so much fun) but preferred the K75C bars I put on them, but that sort of geometry could be a bit silly on a XX as it simply isn't a fully upright kind of bike, and going that way probably would create more problems than solving the wrist issue. I suppose the trick is some lean without the stretch being too long, or, too tight. In a way a ST1100 might be a more logical bike for me, but compared to the XX it seems its just a tank, albeit a great tank.

Yes, Crow, the link to the Blackbird/Super Hawk/ VFR photos didn't "help".
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Old 09-01-2010, 07:55 PM   #75
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Does this motorcycle have the same engine as the CB1000 (The Big One)?

Is it this one or the Hurricane?
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