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Old 12-24-2014, 12:35 PM   #1
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Scrambler Ducati - Will it be good offroad?

I have been looking at the scrambler and the BMW GS 800 adv as well. I also have been comparing the rake/trail dimensions, tire diameters, weight and center of gravity, horsepower, torque/power curves, knee/hip angles (I am 6' with 32 inch inseam), etc, of the two bikes.

The punch line is I think the scrambler will feel more nimble on back roads (low rake angle), and quicker because of the low end torque center of gravity (this is also why the reviews for Palm springs are calling the bike "fun"). The GS is more of a comfort ride in a straight line (less cramped) and have higher RPM outputs vs the scrambler (higher rpm/HP power curves). Also, the the GS will feel better in the dirt (21" front tire, better rake and trail, travel, etc). In summary I think the GS is purpose built for touring and off road (somewhat). The Ducati is designed to feel like a 70's bike but with all the learnings of 40 years of engineering (think about it, no PC's back then!). I also predict/expect that the Ducati wont feel as good off road as the GS (lower rake angle and smaller diameter front tire). Dirt roads will be fine but a better skid plate will help for those occasions.That's my $.02 on the matter. Thoughts?
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Old 12-24-2014, 12:42 PM   #2
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Thoughts?
Why didn't you post this in the already existing thread that has over 100,000 views?
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Old 12-24-2014, 12:44 PM   #3
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I can, which one?
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Thoughts?
Why didn't you post this in the already existing thread that has over 100,000 views?
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Old 12-24-2014, 12:48 PM   #4
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Thoughts?
Why didn't you post this in the already existing thread that has over 100,000 views?
Or just read it and find the answers he's looking for
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Old 12-24-2014, 12:55 PM   #5
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Moved to existing scrambler beast post

Moved to existing scrambler beast post
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Old 12-25-2014, 06:36 PM   #6
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Better than the Honda Adv MCs

The lot of them!

It should be better than the Wee3 also.
And the KLR NEW EDITION.... MAYBE.



I posted a question about how slim the front tyre can get, I can't remember the answer.
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Old 12-25-2014, 06:48 PM   #7
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Page 44 of big thread. Thread has a lot of posts! John Ashman is a troll.

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We all know the front tyre is 18".

From the front profile the tyre looked narrow.
The spec is
Pirelli MT 60 RS 110/80 ZR18


Honda CB500X.120/70-17 radial

And the tread is way more off road worthy.


Is it possible to put a 100/80 tyre size on the front rim?
Just to make her just a tick more off road.

If so, how close can you get to 90/90?


The rear tyre looks fat.
Pirelli MT 60 RS 180/55 ZR17

Mighty DR
120/90-17 64S tube type

So the rear tyre on the Ducati has more potintial for grip off road, right?

Thanks for reading.
Big time.
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Old 12-25-2014, 06:54 PM   #8
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Troll = "that guy said something I don't like and I can't refute it"
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Old 12-25-2014, 07:30 PM   #9
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Troll = "that guy said something I don't like and I can't refute it"
Actually, John, I think he's referring to the fact that you question the obvious and speculate on the absurd, while not having any interest in the bike...
from post # 1295 in the "Duc Scrambler...yep...it's back" thread, quoted several times.
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I don't really comment on bikes that have lost my interest, so......adios
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Old 12-25-2014, 07:34 PM   #10
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Skimmed through thread

One inmate typed that maybe a 19" could be put on.

Best post was.

Down by the river, i road my scrambler.

Nick Nolte had some good posts.


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If you travel light enough, the urban enduro will be fine for the lower 48 states.
Way smoother and comfortable on the tarmac than the KLR AND DR, but more off road than the Honda ADV MCs, and the Wee3.

If you need more room for gear or a 19" tyre, go with the 2015 Tiger XR.

We need Honda to bring back the AT.
Or, the naked MT-07 DUAL SPORT
mobile enough to scavenge, brutal enough to pillage!
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Old 12-25-2014, 07:49 PM   #11
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Actually, John, I think he's referring to the fact that you question the obvious and speculate on the absurd, while not having any interest in the bike...
from post # 1295 in the "Duc Scrambler...yep...it's back" thread, quoted several times.
Actually, I did have a lot of interest, but it waned with each passing review.

I'm keenly interested in a light dual sport twin.

The problem with about 4 or 5 of you is that you insist on arguing what was never said or just going straight to personal attacks rather than simply discussing things. No skin off of my nose, but it really detracts from the bike to have that kind of "support" group.

Criticizing suspension or wheel choices on a dual sport looking bike is hardly "absurd", especially when those or other areas are then criticized in reviews.

Internet white knights are tiresome, but everywhere. They are the first to call names, including "troll" when their ego gets wrapped up in some belief of some kind. You can have a civil conversation with them, as long as you agree with them on everything.
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Old 12-25-2014, 08:46 PM   #12
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Thoughts for off road. Urban enduro

Pros
1. Really good torque. Duh, the engine is beast!
2. Narrow wheel base.
3. Fat rear tyre for grip. Ok stock tyre too!
4. Good dirt bike ergos.
A. Pegs are high for ruts
B. Handle bars provide good leverage for quick standing. Not too high to make you top heavy.
C. Feet can flat foot to help paddle.
D. Very Slim
5. When you consider the MC' displacement and multicylinder config, she is under weight in comoarison to other MCs.
6. Head light is protected with cover
7. Bash plate.
8. High front finder

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Cons
suspension is less than 6" of travel
18" tyre
No hand guards or lateral engine guards.
Low pipe.
Ground clearence less than typical dual sport. Not sure on specs.

The_Precious_Juice screwed with this post 12-26-2014 at 04:29 AM
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Old 12-25-2014, 08:52 PM   #13
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Game the game of life

To off set cons.

Get a skinny 18" tyre that is as close to 90/90 as you can, and even better grip.
Not sure which tyre can do this.

Get a snorkel for the pipe.

Drop your body composistion to single digit body fat for males or upper teens for women.

Drop a little bit of air.

Grip and rip! Momentum and confidense are your best tools.
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Old 12-27-2014, 10:05 AM   #14
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The best part of that thread for me now is watching all the very same people who couldn't stand me for bringing up possible negatives about the bike complain about the very same things while now adding in complaints about the ergonomics, size, etc and how those could be deal breakers.

Trolls!
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Old 12-27-2014, 10:46 AM   #15
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The best part of that thread for me now is watching all the very same people who couldn't stand me for bringing up possible negatives about the bike complain about the very same things while now adding in complaints about the ergonomics, size, etc and how those could be deal breakers.

Trolls!
Actually that's a great example of where you just don't "get it".

Ergos are critically important. But the folks talking about them are not complaining they are just discussing what a reasonable fit range is. Nobody has said Ducati made a mistake with the seat height or expected something else.

Nobody is bitching about the seat height. Nobody is saying Ducati cheated them out of a great MC experience or mislead them with the name of the bike.

That's why you are a troll and other folks are just chatting about the bike.
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