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Old 02-15-2010, 04:27 PM   #376
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Superb work Johan +1000 keep the Highland porn coming



OFS and Dink you guys seem to have more than outsider's view of what's in the works for Highland USA. Take a look at a thread from 2004

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35259

There was plenty of interest back then and probably still is now but to the former importers credit he was out front with his involvement.

That said; if you can point me to a souce for a voltage regulator for an 04 Allroad let me know how to buy it. One other thing, from taking a look at the work Johan [Grease Snake] is doing, I made need a spare gas tank. Just askin.
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Old 02-16-2010, 12:34 AM   #377
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Superb work Johan +1000 keep the Highland porn coming
It just gets better and better. Can't wait for completion even though the process is a delight in itself. Keep 'em coming Johan



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OFS and Dink you guys seem to have more than outsider's view of what's in the works for Highland USA. Take a look at a thread from 2004

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35259

There was plenty of interest back then and probably still is now but to the former importers credit he was out front with his involvement.
Thanks for that John, I can't believe that I have not seen that thread before with all my searches. Much of the info about the efforts for EPA and Dot is missing from that forum. Suffice it to say that the existing single runner inlet system seemed to make the process difficult (impossible) then. I suspect it will be even more difficult now with the more stringent levels of emmissions. This could result in a redesign to a 'Twinlet' (fair play Johan ) system and that would be a benefit to all round performance. This redesign would be costly (see Johan's mods) especially to tool up for full production but would be worthwhile IMHO


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That said; if you can point me to a souce for a voltage regulator for an 04 Allroad let me know how to buy it. One other thing, from taking a look at the work Johan [Grease Snake] is doing, I made need a spare gas tank. Just askin.
Thought Highland could have supplied a regulator - surely it must be a standard from another manufacturer. I would really like to get my hands on the parts list mentioned in the 2004 thread.

With regard to the spare fuel tank I think it depends which way you want to mod your bike. The Full Monty twin downdraught set up demands major surgery but the sideways set up you can leave everything pretty standard.
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Old 02-16-2010, 12:47 AM   #378
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LOTS OF WORK THATS A MOUTHFULL AT INDY US HIGHLAND SHOWED 9 BIKES WITH PICTURES ON HAND OF ANOTHER 30 OR SO AND A FULL PRODUCTION LINE IN TULSA OK. THEY ARE WORKING ON EPA AND DOT AND EXPECT TO BE FINISHED IN JUNE THEY WILL RELEASE 700 BIKES IN 2010/2011 AND THEY HAVE A OPEN HOUSE IN MAY FOR TEST RIDES AND A LOOK AT THE NEW WAVE PRODUCTION FACILITY. SEE YOU THERE . THATS THE ONLY WAY TO GET REAL ANSWERS ANYTHING ELSE IS JUST
Ok Just post the pictures and specs here please. Seems like an appropriate place

Oh yeh, and give dates and locations where the faithfull can get their hands on the bikes, I'm sure we can guarantee a good turnout
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Old 02-16-2010, 01:08 AM   #379
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Nice pic of the new 950, "The Highland 950 was the fastest scariest thing we've ever ridden in the dirt". Hope that is a good thing


http://www.dirtbikemagazine.com/ME2/...3E9F53CD3DE2AE
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Old 02-16-2010, 08:29 AM   #380
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Hey John:

"Thought Highland could have supplied a regulator - surely it must be a standard from another manufacturer. '

I contacted Highland on the Voltage Regulator and they are in process of moving some of the opertaions to the US and would get back to me once the parts ordering process was in place. I understand that some of the early KTMs had the same VR, so I took a chance and ordered one for an early 640. The VR for the 640 was three phase, not sure if that is the right term; whereas the Highland is 2 phase off the stator.

"With regard to the spare fuel tank I think it depends which way you want to mod your bike. The Full Monty twin downdraught set up demands major surgery but the sideways set up you can leave everything pretty standard."

I must have missed the sideways mount setup, do tell.
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Old 02-16-2010, 08:54 AM   #381
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I must have missed the sideways mount setup, do tell.
Hi John,

go back to post #309 where Johan fitted his latest Twinlet version to my bike. I will this year be producing a similar set up that requires even less modification to the original. Particularly if I can get off my lardy ass and give it some attention. The one we fitted required just a little 'remoulding' of the tank but I hope to angle the new manifold to mitigate that.
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Old 02-16-2010, 09:00 AM   #382
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The VR for the 640 was three phase, not sure if that is the right term; whereas the Highland is 2 phase off the stat
Just looking at the wiring diagrams - seems the earlier 2001 models had 3 wire alternators and the post 2004 had the two.

Get surfin for 2 wire regulators eh?

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Old 02-16-2010, 09:40 AM   #383
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Re voltage regulators. The phases refer to the AC current produced by the stator. If you think of AC current as looking like a sine curve, different phases would have the peaks and valleys off-set. If you wire multiple phases together they will typically cancel eachother out.

What is required on a bike is a rectifier which is basically a big one-way valve for electricity to convert the AC current to DC (which of course doesn't have phases). You need one big valve (diode) for each phase, then you combine into one circuit and use a regulator to keep the voltage under control. Often regulators and rectifiers are encased in the same physical part.

You can run 2 phases into a 3-phase rectifier and just use only 2 phases of it and it'll work fine, you'll just have the extra weight of the unused diode etc there.

A reg/rec from most any bike could probably be made to work with little effort, all that really differs is current capacity, number of phases and physical shape. IIRC most all sport bikes are 3-phase systems. Some dual sports and off road machines are 2-phase.

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Old 02-17-2010, 11:35 AM   #384
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Thanks John & BP

I wondered about the VR & just using two inputs out of the three, I really appreciate your thoughts which make perfect sense to the mechanically challenged. By the way BP, how did the internship turn out in DC.

John, I must have been asleep, passed out or in a coma to miss your write-up of the twin inlets to your bike. What's your reaction now that you lived with it for a while. If it helps to get you moving on putting the twin inlet package together, get me some pricing numbers and I'll get you a deposit.
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Thanks John & BP

I wondered about the VR & just using two inputs out of the three, I really appreciate your thoughts which make perfect sense to the mechanically challenged. By the way BP, how did the internship turn out in DC.

John, I must have been asleep, passed out or in a coma to miss your write-up of the twin inlets to your bike. What's your reaction now that you lived with it for a while. If it helps to get you moving on putting the twin inlet package together, get me some pricing numbers and I'll get you a deposit.
Hi John,

just a thought about your regulator, the existing (Highland) system is rated at circa 26 amp (310 watt 12 volt). It might be worth checking the rating of the regulator unit you have purchased to make sure it is adequate. I suspect the KTM unit will be for a non fuel injection motor and therefore be lower rated. Also if it was rated at at say 26 amps that could be across 3 phases, that is circa 9 amps per phase. Using 2 phases (as does the Highland) that makes it 18 amp, a bit short. I'm no electrical expert so might have it totally wrong so Bike Pilot or others might like to comment.

With reference to the Twinlet system developed by Johan, it is excellent. It's still not fully mapped but even in it's current state it starts first touch when cold (spin a couple of times when warm) and runs like a decent v-twin should. Plenty of power with more top end now the cans have had the cat removed. I can now run round town and tour, I don't have to be on a mission yet I can still pop up the front at will. Consumption is similar to before but I have a new map calculated after data logging and I expect improvements there. To give a picture, Brian the guy who was the mechanic at the UK dealer rode it and commented 'that's the way they should have been, if they were we could have sold bagfulls'.

The delay in production of a few units is entirely down to me just submitting to winter blues. I've got Neil in South Africa who is seriously on my case to get some done so I really must pull my finger out and get it sorted.

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LOTS OF WORK THATS A MOUTHFULL AT INDY US HIGHLAND SHOWED 9 BIKES WITH PICTURES ON HAND OF ANOTHER 30 OR SO AND A FULL PRODUCTION LINE IN TULSA OK. THEY ARE WORKING ON EPA AND DOT AND EXPECT TO BE FINISHED IN JUNE THEY WILL RELEASE 700 BIKES IN 2010/2011 AND THEY HAVE A OPEN HOUSE IN MAY FOR TEST RIDES AND A LOOK AT THE NEW WAVE PRODUCTION FACILITY. SEE YOU THERE . THATS THE ONLY WAY TO GET REAL ANSWERS ANYTHING ELSE IS JUST

I have a hunch that these guys are just trying to attract interest in the stock so they can sell themselves to Harley or someone else and cash in, or maybe even LBO if they can get the backers. It is relatively easy to put on a dog and pony show with a race team and a few bikes. Real production facilities are harder to hide. Believe what you can see. Keep an eye on the stock! Watch out potential buyers!
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I have a hunch that these guys are just trying to attract interest in the stock so they can sell themselves to Harley or someone else and cash in, or maybe even LBO if they can get the backers. It is relatively easy to put on a dog and pony show with a race team and a few bikes. Real production facilities are harder to hide. Believe what you can see. Keep an eye on the stock! Watch out potential buyers!
We have opened our doors in tulsa for all to see, We did not use Indy to anounce our public stock, and we have started production. The hunch is un deserved . We have been private for 14 years . We have produced several projects some for other companies. We have got Bengt Anderson former president of husky as our chairman. We are fighting the good fight here and to auusme anything else would be a slap in the face to all here who are working hard to produce something truly american. As for HD the news should have reached you by now that they closed buell and are selling mv agusta. As such I doubt they are looking for anything new to buy . The real question here would be why so negative with so little fact? As for easy to put on a dog and pony show well to move several truck loads of tools ,equipment and parts from sweeden to tulsa, buy and lease ( 5 years) the buildings, employee 25 people to start, build 14(to date 16 more in production) prototypes at a staggering cost per unit.Well dink thats alot of trouble and a huge undertaking for a hope and a prayer lbo or sale in a climate where companies are finding it hard to survive. You migh think about comming down to see us look us over and then make a statment as to the reality of a american made product in tulsa rather than to use baseless hunches to damage those who really seek to do something good here. Please come see us at highland we are easy to find just ask our local mayor or any of the city officals in our home town who have helped up plan and excute this entry into the american market.

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We have opened our doors in tulsa for all to see, We did not use Indy to anounce our public stock, and we have started production. The hunch is un deserved . We have been private for 14 years . We have produced several projects some for other companies. We have got Bengt Anderson former president of husky as our chairman. We are fighting the good fight here and to auusme anything else would be a slap in the face to all here who are working hard to produce something truly american. As for HD the news should have reached you by now that they closed buell and are selling mv agusta. As such I doubt they are looking for anything new to buy . The real question here would be why so negative with so little fact? As for easy to put on a dog and pony show well to move several truck loads of tools ,equipment and parts from sweeden to tulsa, buy and lease ( 5 years) the buildings, employee 25 people to start, build 14(to date 16 more in production) prototypes at a staggering cost per unit.Well dink thats alot of trouble and a huge undertaking for a hope and a prayer lbo or sale in a climate where companies are finding it hard to survive. You migh think about comming down to see us look us over and then make a statment as to the reality of a american made product in tulsa rather than to use baseless hunches to damage those who really seek to do something good here. Please come see us at highland we are easy to find just ask our local mayor or any of the city officals in our home town who have helped up plan and excute this entry into the american market.
Absolutely delighted to hear this Getting up front and open is where it needs to be, hopefully making friends along the way. Don't be too hard on people who looking back at the chequered past of Highland's efforts feel only openness is the way forward. You might start with the Spondon UK framed "Sexy". Good luck US Highland.
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We have opened our doors in tulsa for all to see, We did not use Indy to anounce our public stock, and we have started production. The hunch is un deserved . We have been private for 14 years . We have produced several projects some for other companies. We have got Bengt Anderson former president of husky as our chairman. We are fighting the good fight here and to auusme anything else would be a slap in the face to all here who are working hard to produce something truly american. As for HD the news should have reached you by now that they closed buell and are selling mv agusta. As such I doubt they are looking for anything new to buy . The real question here would be why so negative with so little fact? As for easy to put on a dog and pony show well to move several truck loads of tools ,equipment and parts from sweeden to tulsa, buy and lease ( 5 years) the buildings, employee 25 people to start, build 14(to date 16 more in production) prototypes at a staggering cost per unit.Well dink thats alot of trouble and a huge undertaking for a hope and a prayer lbo or sale in a climate where companies are finding it hard to survive. You migh think about comming down to see us look us over and then make a statment as to the reality of a american made product in tulsa rather than to use baseless hunches to damage those who really seek to do something good here. Please come see us at highland we are easy to find just ask our local mayor or any of the city officals in our home town who have helped up plan and excute this entry into the american market.
That sounds great, hope it is all true. I know it is hard to find VC these days, and how hard it is to start a major manufacturer in North America, so please excuse my skepticism. It is a huge capital layout for all the tooling etc. The buildings should not be too difficult to find, but tougher to fill. The SEC costs are not insignificant either. I am rooting for it to be legit and successful. I will watch with great interest for the proto-types to come out and then for the production models. Good luck and can't wait to see if you are scamming or not. Time will tell.

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