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Old 04-29-2006, 05:16 PM   #1
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Here's my beef.

Why aren't there more manual transmission scooters? Bajaj, Stella, Vespa PX. That's about it. I've looked through two 2006 buyers guides and as far as I can see everything's a twist & go, V-belt, CVT automatic.

Is there no demand for a more "motorcycle-like" experience from modern scooters?
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Old 04-29-2006, 05:37 PM   #2
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I guess if there was, Stella's sales would be a lot higher.
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Old 04-29-2006, 05:41 PM   #3
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There is still barely a demand for scooters.

In general, if someone wants the satisfaction that comes with shifting gears, they will go to a motorcycle.

Anyway, twist-and-go is superior for urban commuting.
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Old 04-29-2006, 05:51 PM   #4
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I think the Boss Hoss has a two speed automatic. You might try that for a compromise.
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Old 04-30-2006, 05:13 AM   #5
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Why aren't there more manual transmission scooters? Bajaj, Stella, Vespa PX. That's about it. I've looked through two 2006 buyers guides and as far as I can see everything's a twist & go, V-belt, CVT automatic.

Is there no demand for a more "motorcycle-like" experience from modern scooters?

Why?

Are you going to buy another?

Did Stella die?
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Old 04-30-2006, 06:21 AM   #6
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Why aren't there more manual transmission scooters? Bajaj, Stella, Vespa PX. That's about it. I've looked through two 2006 buyers guides and as far as I can see everything's a twist & go, V-belt, CVT automatic.

Is there no demand for a more "motorcycle-like" experience from modern scooters?
Modern scooters are designed for ease of use, commuting, etc. Basically anyone who can balance a two-wheeled vehicle should be able to ride one.

Having said that, I'm surprised you aren't riding a twis & go
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Old 04-30-2006, 12:57 PM   #7
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Well, here's a classic example of me starting a terrific thread filled from the most ample reservoir of my great spirit and intellect, only to be intercepted by Breadman and Bueller.

I shall make a point of doing donuts on their front lawns. Then, as they are weeping like the two soggy-pants babies that they are, I shall career about their towns with a broad-faced grin.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some whitewalls to wash.
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Old 04-30-2006, 02:42 PM   #8
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Most people who drive scooters don't have the knowhow or the inclination to deal with changing trans oil or adjusting a clutch or other stuff related to a typical bike trans, I kinda like the idea of a simple belt cvt setup for a commuter.
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Old 04-30-2006, 03:31 PM   #9
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Well, here's a classic example of me starting a terrific thread filled from the most ample reservoir of my great spirit and intellect, only to be intercepted by Breadman and Bueller.

I shall make a point of doing donuts on their front lawns. Then, as they are weeping like the two soggy-pants babies that they are, I shall career about their towns with a broad-faced grin.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some whitewalls to wash.
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Old 04-30-2006, 07:54 PM   #10
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Well, here's a classic example of me starting a terrific thread filled from the most ample reservoir of my great spirit and intellect, only to be intercepted by Breadman and Bueller.

I shall make a point of doing donuts on their front lawns. Then, as they are weeping like the two soggy-pants babies that they are, I shall career about their towns with a broad-faced grin.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some whitewalls to wash.
Mmm, donuts
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Old 05-01-2006, 09:11 AM   #11
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I feel a Haiku coming on

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Old 05-01-2006, 09:29 AM   #12
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The heart of the matter is - limiting the rider to only throttle input also limits their connection with the machine. No relationship, no real understanding of self, can develop when only the right hand is involved (unless, of course, you're Breadman or Bueller).

C'mon scooter manufacturers! Get hip. Be bold, and start introducing alternatives to the twist and go line-up.
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Old 05-01-2006, 09:33 AM   #13
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There is still barely a demand for scooters.

In general, if someone wants the satisfaction that comes with shifting gears, they will go to a motorcycle.

Anyway, twist-and-go is superior for urban commuting.
Only if you live in North America. That said... in Asia and Europe there is HUGE DEMAND.... in the hundred's of millions of units sold.... so the shifting is IRRELEVENT
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Old 05-01-2006, 10:41 AM   #14
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...can develop when only the right hand is involved (unless, of course, you're Breadman or Bueller).
What are you saying 'bout us?

We have an understanding with out right hand that others don't?
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Old 05-01-2006, 11:18 AM   #15
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I fail to see the point of a manushift scooter. If I want a clutch I can go buy a 50cc chainsaw with wheels like the Sachs MadAss or one of the myriad Minarelli/Morini-powered offerings (Malaguti Drakon, Aprilia RS 50, Yammy TZR 50, Peugeot XR6, Rieju/Motorhispania something-or-other etc.). Oh, yeah, I forgot; you live in the US. Sorry mate
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