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Old 11-16-2009, 10:07 AM   #29161
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I think what you say is perfectly reasonable, however we live in a consumer society where we are conditioned into believing that more is supposedly better. I eschewed the Charlie and Ewan BavarianMoneyWaster route and went for a DR, it is a good (if you are sensitive,avert your eyes to the next word!) compromise. I wanted less and I got it!.

However, I still want less, much less - well less handlebar slap when I ride in soft sand so I suppose I wil have to spend more!
What is the collective wisdom on the best value for money steering damper for a DR fitted with a Safari tank? What should be considered or avoided?
I'm looking at this one. Here are some dimentions
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Old 11-16-2009, 10:12 AM   #29162
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Question HELP!!! Perplexed, dumbfounded!!!

So I don't know anymore, except to just check the timing.

Analysis:

Checked spark plugs two days ago, seems my DR runs a tad lean. Ok, scrapped the white stuff off the spark plugs, put it all back, started bike, idled seemingly better. Left friends house about an hour later.

Got home, and checked clearances as well as stripped out the started motor (removed two oil line bolts, plus timing chain tensioner to get starter out).

Stripped started, cleaned and greased what I could (the starter makes this agonising scream thingy), and reassembled everything. Started bike. Bike churns and starter is still as noisy as ever. DAMN!!! That didn't work.

Churn some more, but DR does not start. Most it does is a now and then bhraummmrrr churn churn chrun brhurrrm etc etc.

Ok, replaced spark plugs, plus checked oil (added again - mid level). Churn churn chrun bhrumm churn churn.

Cleaned carb as much as possible whilst on bike (removed float bowl, jets and cleaned - didn't touch idle screw).

Still no joy.

I got its started late Saturday night but it stopped after while, had to keep it running via throttle, only on choke.

So what the HELL is wrong??? I have no clue. Like I said I can only go check where the timing is, but will have to read the manual (only got the bike two weeks ago).

It uses oil (but I have ridden it hard, although 1200km and two weeks went from FULL to below LOW???).

What can I check? What can I do? What did I do wrong???

PLEASE!!! I don't want to struggle like this??? Tired and just wanna ride again.

Could it be blow back??? Barrel smells like fuel gets in (smelled plugs and into pluggs hole).

Only thing I disconnected was the CDI when I disconnected the battery. I also cleaned the terminals on the CDI.

Any help, ideas, thoughts, bad news will be appreciated???
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Old 11-16-2009, 10:24 AM   #29163
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is there gas in the tank ?
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Old 11-16-2009, 10:28 AM   #29164
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So I don't know anymore, except to just check the timing.

Analysis:

Checked spark plugs two days ago, seems my DR runs a tad lean. Ok, scrapped the white stuff off the spark plugs, put it all back, started bike, idled seemingly better. Left friends house about an hour later.

Got home, and checked clearances as well as stripped out the started motor (removed two oil line bolts, plus timing chain tensioner to get starter out).

Stripped started, cleaned and greased what I could (the starter makes this agonising scream thingy), and reassembled everything. Started bike. Bike churns and starter is still as noisy as ever. DAMN!!! That didn't work.

Churn some more, but DR does not start. Most it does is a now and then bhraummmrrr churn churn chrun brhurrrm etc etc.

Ok, replaced spark plugs, plus checked oil (added again - mid level). Churn churn chrun bhrumm churn churn.

Cleaned carb as much as possible whilst on bike (removed float bowl, jets and cleaned - didn't touch idle screw).

Still no joy.

I got its started late Saturday night but it stopped after while, had to keep it running via throttle, only on choke.

So what the HELL is wrong??? I have no clue. Like I said I can only go check where the timing is, but will have to read the manual (only got the bike two weeks ago).

It uses oil (but I have ridden it hard, although 1200km and two weeks went from FULL to below LOW???).

What can I check? What can I do? What did I do wrong???

PLEASE!!! I don't want to struggle like this??? Tired and just wanna ride again.

Could it be blow back??? Barrel smells like fuel gets in (smelled plugs and into pluggs hole).

Only thing I disconnected was the CDI when I disconnected the battery. I also cleaned the terminals on the CDI.

Any help, ideas, thoughts, bad news will be appreciated???
Take the carb off and clean good. Be sure to clean the float valve and to make sure the orings in the float are good. That little o ring can cause lots of problems.
Also check the screen inside the carb inlet tube!
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Old 11-16-2009, 10:29 AM   #29165
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quality suspension works always pays the best dividends of any mod on any bike.

poor suspension holds people's riding potential back more than any other part of the bike, whether they realize it or not.
sure improvements in riding skills are essential, but so is quality suspension tuning.

you'll probably never "wear" out the stock suspension,
however the dr has very basic suspension technology so upgrades here can be noticebly felt by all.


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Didn't mean to sound like a rant. And I definitely agree with you. If and when my bike gets to the point of needing a teardown, I'd definitely consider some power upgrades. I'd probably go along with a displacement upgrade too. I was addressing the question of what you should do first, or immediately, to the bike.

I think a lot of folks see the DR as something they should buy, and immediately start "improving," and that's what I was taking issue with. There seems to be a train of thought here that when you buy your DR, you should show up at the dealer to pick it up with a coping saw in hand to chop up the stock airbox, a different carburetor to bolt on, and a GSX-R muffler to bolt on, because those are "must do" mods that should be performed before you ever even ride the bike.

I'm a big believer in upgrading when things wear out. But as you know, the DR from the dealer is pretty good. A lot of them immediately get modded under the illusion that the rider is going to be so much faster, when most of those riders would be faster by just improving their skills and leaving the hacksaw at home.

Oops - rant, rant . . (g)
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Old 11-16-2009, 10:35 AM   #29166
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Question

BTW - There is gas in the tank and there is spark.

Cool, so I need to do a proper carb tear-down....ok, I can do that.

This might be a redundant question: Is there a specific way the plugs go?

I have noticed the float bowl seal is quite hard. The floats did come out with a bit of force so the O-rings seem good, but I will do the tear-down properly.

Will let you know what I find after and possibly during.

Anything else I can look out for whilst I'm busy.....the normal checking type stuff?
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Old 11-16-2009, 10:38 AM   #29167
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? Did you say that the DR is NOT a Dirt/Adventure Touring M/C ?
If so I beg to Differ!

ooooh ooooh ooooh !

Sorry but you'll have to actually read what he wrote

... he said it wasnt a PERFORMANCE dirt/adventure touring blah blah blah

... and it really isn't ... its not in the class of the Huskies and those types (for performance)

Keep in mind that the current generation DR had its HP REDUCED from the previous generation designed in what ? ... 1988 or something?
.. I'd bet that was to reduce the rate of warranty claims ... a decision based on model profitability

... and I'd bet that the big(ger) HP bikes have a lot more engine failures and problems than the DR
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:43 AM   #29168
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Keep in mind that the current generation DR had its HP REDUCED from the previous generation designed in what ? ... 1988 or something?
.. I'd bet that was to reduce the rate of warranty claims ... a decision based on model profitability
HP reduced and it's torque increased.
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:49 AM   #29169
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Crank HP guys
Husky has 53 Crank HP
What does the DR have at the crank?

My '93 Gilera Nordwest 558cc had 45hp at the rear wheel stock.
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:25 PM   #29170
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Question Update

Will give the bike a go early tomorrow morning before work, I am charging the battery.

What is the pilot screw setting. The manual says 1 & 1/2 turns. I suppose its turning it in all the way, then 1 & 1/2 turns back out?

Now, lets say its not the carb that is giving the problem, what do I check next? (have checked the screen thing at the intake and I don't have one left).


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Old 11-16-2009, 01:03 PM   #29171
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What does the DR have at the crank?

My '93 Gilera Nordwest 558cc had 45hp at the rear wheel stock.
The only number I have seen for crank horsepower is 43hp. That is comparable to all of the Japanese singles.
Your hp claim comes as a bit of a surprise. The Gilera lists 46hp @ 7000rpm and have never seen anything to indicate that it is anything but crank horsepower.
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Old 11-16-2009, 01:09 PM   #29172
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What is the pilot screw setting. The manual says 1 & 1/2 turns. I suppose its turning it in all the way, then 1 & 1/2 turns back out?

Now, lets say its not the carb that is giving the problem, what do I check next? (have checked the screen thing at the intake and I don't have one left).
Spark, fuel, compression.

You say you have the first and unless something has radically changed, you'll still have the last. It sounds like you have some dirt in the idle circuits or elswhere which is easily cured with a can of carb cleaner and large amounts of compressed air. This is not that unusual when working on a bike.

Idle screw is adjusted as you describe 1.5-2 turns.

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Old 11-16-2009, 01:30 PM   #29173
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Your hp claim comes as a bit of a surprise. The Gilera lists 46hp @ 7000rpm and have never seen anything to indicate that it is anything but crank horsepower.
Did a dyno run not long after I got it in 1999.

It's still in the shed but hasn't been ridden or even started since 2006.
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Old 11-16-2009, 01:46 PM   #29174
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Thanks Ralph. Will get me some carb cleaner...I know the stuff, don't get it on the skin on your face or the eye.... It burns like a mother!!!!

I hope it will get going tomorrow morning. As you say, I have spark and I have compression, and since it did run for about 30 seconds helped by choke and throttle, then it should be fuel starvation.

Thanks again. I am pretty down at the moment but that is because of some personal problems regarding the heart (not physical) so I tend to be quite negative right now.

Happy trails

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Spark, fuel, compression.

You say you have the first and unless something has radically changed, you'll still have the last. It sounds like you have some dirt in the idle circuits or elswhere which is easily cured with a can of carb cleaner and large amounts of compressed air. This is not that unusual when working on a bike.

Idle screw is adjusted as you describe 1.5-2 turns.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:01 PM   #29175
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trippin 50hp. go buy a cr500! or get a 20hp nitrous kit!
Mention of a CR500 brings back memories, I rode a friends once. That was a wicked bike.

I saw one on ebay once that had a tag. Imagine hitting the onramp on that and people flipping out as you wheely past. The whole time your hanging over the front of the handlebars trying to hold it down.
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