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Old 10-07-2011, 02:40 PM   #55216
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If the shim is above the spring seat, it can't raise the needle.........Derek
well man, i guess you just dont understand what i'm saying or maybe there's a difference in YOUR model?

the shim above the spring seat on the needle raises the needle in the seat, thus raising the needle in the slide.

as long as the shim fits inside the spring on top of the seat, it wont affect the spring rate in any way. and i'm pretty sure that's how i installed it, i'm not new to carbs.

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Old 10-07-2011, 02:41 PM   #55217
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The only reason people put a shim under the clip is because the needle only has one clip position in some countries.
Lower the clip or shim under the clip is the same thing,the needle taper is raised in the needle jet.
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Old 10-07-2011, 03:18 PM   #55218
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well man, i guess you just dont understand what i'm saying or maybe there's a difference in YOUR model?

the shim above the spring seat on the needle raises the needle in the seat, thus raising the needle in the slide.

as long as the shim fits inside the spring on top of the seat, it wont affect the spring rate in any way. and i'm pretty sure that's how i installed it, i'm not new to carbs.

Did you have a look at the diagram?

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Old 10-07-2011, 03:20 PM   #55219
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The only reason people put a shim under the clip is because the needle only has one clip position in some countries.
Correct!
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Lower the clip or shim under the clip is the same thing,the needle taper is raised in the needle jet.
Incorrect! As already explained, it is not the same thing.

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Old 10-07-2011, 03:23 PM   #55220
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Hey Phil,
Not sure how securely you've mounted the Aux fuel can ... but on rough Morocco wash board I could see the mounting hardware work hardening and snapping off in a couple days of off road hammering.

I would make sure the fuel can is strapped on with bungee cords or Roc straps (STRONG!) to add security off road. 5 liters isn't much but better than nothing. Best to have 19 liters (5 US gallons ... like IMS tank)

Check out Colebatch's latest Morocco ride report. He documents some great places to explore there:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=727119
Cheers AdvG for the input
I've give it a couple of HARD test runs and seems to be holding up fine , but as you say i will be Roc strapping it aswell. The stock tank hold 13 lts plus 5lts in the can is only slightly less than the IMS !!! Also been taking an account of Kms per Lt and the worst i've got is 22 km / ltr = 286 per tank + 110 Aux !!!! thick end of 400 klicks and if all fails i'll find a camel
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Old 10-07-2011, 04:09 PM   #55221
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Did you have a look at the diagram?

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yes i did. i do not have an e-clip on my needle. the spacer fits over the needle from the pointed tip up and sits on a shelf on the needle itself. i installed the shim between this shelf and the spacer, then the spring sits on top of the spacer inside the slide.

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the spacer i refer to being item #22 on the diagram.
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Old 10-07-2011, 04:19 PM   #55222
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I wont soon put another knobby on my plated DRZe,trials tire hooks up so good its like cheating!
They only come in 18" so a no go on a DR.
And 21" of course. Have you used the front?

I see quite a few serious enduro guys off-road racing on trials tires (rear only, as best I recall) these days, so I expect them to work well off-road. My concern is more how the front works on and off pavement.

I know the D606 is good, but it is noisy on the road, and the trials tire is both cheaper and according to most people, very good off-road.
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Old 10-07-2011, 04:27 PM   #55223
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yes i did. i do not have an e-clip on my needle. the spacer fits over the needle from the pointed tip up and sits on a shelf on the needle itself. i installed the shim between this shelf and the spacer, then the spring sits on top of the spacer inside the slide.

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the spacer i refer to being item #22 on the diagram.
The spring is supposed to sit on the spring seat, which is item #20. You must have some non-oem parts installed in your carb, as a stock needle has a clip groove and no shelf.

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Old 10-07-2011, 04:37 PM   #55224
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...You must have some non-oem parts installed in your carb, as a stock needle has a clip groove and no shelf....
here is where you're confused. my bike was (when i bought it) all stock '06 california-emissions US model. your carb might be different.
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Old 10-07-2011, 05:05 PM   #55225
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here is where you're confused. my bike was (when i bought it) all stock '06 california-emissions US model. your carb might be different.
No sir. The parts diagram I provided is for an '06 model, there is no complete separate parts listing for California vs. other US markets, and Suzuki makes no distinction between California and other US markets on the carb diagram.

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Old 10-07-2011, 05:25 PM   #55226
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can't speak for the drz400, but i do know the rm125 (and i suspect the rm250 as well) is a direct plug-n-play...

oh ya - the hub also came from the rm125; re-laced to the wheel that was on my stock forks...

doug s.

What size rim and tire are you running in the front?? I've got a set of 2001 Rm125 forks on my Dr650 right now.. The tire is rubbing on the forks when I brake, I'm running a 120 with a 3.5" rim.
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Old 10-07-2011, 05:56 PM   #55227
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What size rim and tire are you running in the front?? I've got a set of 2001 Rm125 forks on my Dr650 right now.. The tire is rubbing on the forks when I brake, I'm running a 120 with a 3.5" rim.
i am running a 120/70/17 tire. i do not know what the actual size of the rim is supposed to be - it came w/the bike on the stock forks when i bought it. but, the actual dimension from outside edge of rim to outside edge of rim is 4.5". (in the back, the dimen is 5.5") if you look at the pic, you will notice (black) spacers - these are ~1.1875" long. i have no rubbing issues. (but i do wonder if there's an aftermarket rotor that will bolt up to this wheel/hub, and work w/a standard caliper relocation bracket.)

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Old 10-07-2011, 06:29 PM   #55228
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DR650 and $500 burning a hole...

I have a stock 06 DR650, recently sold some goodies to finance a jet kit, airbox mod, exhaust... when I called to order, was recommended that I go the TM40 route, opening up a whole new set of issues. If you had a 500.00 budget, what would you do and where would you start?
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Old 10-07-2011, 06:44 PM   #55229
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I have a stock 06 DR650, recently sold some goodies to finance a jet kit, airbox mod, exhaust... when I called to order, was recommended that I go the TM40 route, opening up a whole new set of issues. If you had a 500.00 budget, what would you do and where would you start?

What are you planning to use it for. Offroad?

Skidplate first. Then handguards & better handlebars. Then tires. DynoJet kit in the carb is fine, cut the airbox and drill thr second hole in the slide.
14 tooth sprkt. You're up to about $400 now.

On road? I'll let someone else speak to that.
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