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Old 01-12-2012, 08:10 AM   #58921
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Hey, I find my Walmart pad's buckles to be exactly in the wrong place. Right at the bottom of the seat, interfering with the side panels and such.

I had the seat off, and was trying to place all four straps around the seat pan itself.

Anyone have any suggestions?
throw in the towel and get the seat concepts replacement seat pad
http://seatconcepts.com/products#ecw...roduct=7268100
you'll be much happier.

i use a sargent and would never ride w/o
http://www.sargentcycle.com/suzwsdr650.htm

speaking of sargent, how's the production coming along on the new V one?
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:16 AM   #58922
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I've only ridden it a couple of days. The pad is more comfy, but I don't like the half-ass-look of the straps. I'll work on hiding the straps, during some nicer weather.
From Suzuki DR650 with Accessories


See the staps? Don't like them hanging around. Price? Maybe 20 bucks, sorry I don't remember.
I never could get mine to tighten up, it helped till my custom Corbin came in. I would just do the seat concepts deal now, I wish that was out back in 2007.

Man that big GIVI looks big, I had one on my FJR for years. When I'm riding mostly pavement I put the 52 liter on mine too. At least I'm not the only one using the 52 on a DR650.
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:36 AM   #58923
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throw in the towel and get the seat concepts replacement seat pad
http://seatconcepts.com/products#ecw...roduct=7268100
you'll be much happier.

i use a sargent and would never ride w/o
http://www.sargentcycle.com/suzwsdr650.htm

speaking of sargent, how's the production coming along on the new V one?
Oh yeah! I had a Seat Concepts on DR #2 and I'll probably end up with another one soon, I'm thinkin'... I just asked ShadyRascal a question on the DR vs. KLR thread, and I'll ask it again here...

My guess is the Seat Concepts is about 75% the improvement over stock that the Sargent is. Would anyone agree/disagree with that?

Considering the price is just about double for the Sargent, can it be TWICE as good as the Seat Concepts? I've ridden Sargents on other bikes but never tried the DR650 version.

On the Versys seat at Sargent... I just left an e-mail for Mary to see how it's coming along. I'm thinking maybe a another month or two...

Thanks!
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:21 AM   #58924
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Oh yeah! I had a Seat Concepts on DR #2 and I'll probably end up with another one soon, I'm thinkin'... I just asked ShadyRascal a question on the DR vs. KLR thread, and I'll ask it again here...

My guess is the Seat Concepts is about 75% the improvement over stock that the Sargent is. Would anyone agree/disagree with that?

Considering the price is just about double for the Sargent, can it be TWICE as good as the Seat Concepts? I've ridden Sargents on other bikes but never tried the DR650 version.

On the Versys seat at Sargent... I just left an e-mail for Mary to see how it's coming along. I'm thinking maybe a another month or two...

Thanks!
Ahh, but the price is'nt double if ProCycle is still running their seat credit program. Send in your 'ol seat pan for store credit.

I have used Sargent seats on a few bikes and to me they are a known quality. Their seat for the DR also has the widest seating area (11.5 ") while still keeping it narrow up front for stand up riding.

Not saying the other options are not good, just saying my boney butt was worth the extra $$s.
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:37 AM   #58925
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Ahh, but the price is'nt double if ProCycle is still running their seat credit program. Send in your 'ol seat pan for store credit.

I have used Sargent seats on a few bikes and to me they are a known quality. Their seat for the DR also has the widest seating area (11.5 ") while still keeping it narrow up front for stand up riding.

Not saying the other options are not good, just saying my boney butt was worth the extra $$s.
Agreed, I've been running a Sargent seat for 2 years now from Procycle. Love it. The width at the rear is so nice when riding long days. I've done a few 1000 mile plus days and only hurt after a couple days of this in a row.
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:49 AM   #58926
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Hey, I find my Walmart pad's buckles to be exactly in the wrong place. Right at the bottom of the seat, interfering with the side panels and such.

I had the seat off, and was trying to place all four straps around the seat pan itself.

Anyone have any suggestions?
When I had mine, I was able to work the straps under the seat, leaving them a bit loose prior to reinstalling the seat. They snugged up on install and worked great.

I haven't had the Sgt on the DR, but I've had it...and Seat Concepts new Strom seat..... on my Wee 650. Very comparable with the pillion area MUCH better on the SC seat. Runnng the SC on the DR also.
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:57 AM   #58927
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Just ordered a new Corbin for my DR so I'm hoping that will solve all my....ummmm......issues with the stock seat
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Old 01-12-2012, 10:10 AM   #58928
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busted rad

On my last trip to Morocco i did this



A little lie down , didn't know i'd busted the oil cooler mount untill a day or two later !! but good old zip ties to the rescue


Been running around like that since November and thought it was about time i got it sorted , so i rooted about on a French second hand site , found one €30 payed for it only to find when it arrived it was wrong
New ones on the left , it's smaller ,has banjo fittings and the brackets are reversed


No worries i'll plumb it into my DR 250 , its gotta help !!

Heres the damaged one , bent one bracket , snapped the other and crushed the inlet, but it still works !!! may even get my mate to try a brase it back together.





Tough old bike the DR , found another rad , the right one this time , €40 this time but Morroco's calling again !!! might look into a stronger/ longer crash bar !!! Any ideas ????
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Old 01-12-2012, 10:14 AM   #58929
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hi thanas,

i would recommend going w/the motard 17" wheel set up. but in your case, i would keep the 17/21 wheel set-up for when you wanna go off-road. simply swap out the wheels for weekend/wacation duty. that way, you can have the best rubber on the bike for the task at hand. my dr is set up w/motard wheels and it's great! as i am not into off-road, i haven't a 2nd set of wheels, but i could always do it if i wanted.

i am also up for better suspension and more power. i installed suzuki rm-series upside-down forks w/racetech spring upgrade - a plug-n-play swap. and the rear shock has racetech emulators and eibach spring. for power, i have an fcr39 carb; exhaust is fmr powerbomb hi-flow header/kientech hi-flow midpipe/tsukigi gsxr1000 muffler. i now have all the power and handling i could want.

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Hi Guys,

I would like some feedback on the following. I'm torn between 3 options i have for my DR, regarding wheels.

I ride my bike every day to work, i use it for holidays, weekends, and try to go off-road as much as possible. I live in the Netherlands and off-road here means mostly 1 of 2 things. Loose sand or mud. I currently have Heidenau K60 Scout (90/90-21 & 130/80-17) on my wheels. These work very well on the street and harder surface off-road. With wet pavement they are also great. With mud they get full pretty quickly and because of my inexperience, I don't get up to enough speed to clear the tires. In loose sand i find the front 21 with the Heidenau K60 to be very "loose" and not to stabile, but with some more speed and experience, they are manageable. Hard surface off-road they are good enough.

Option 1:
Keep the 21/17, witht the Heidenau K60 Scout. Becauss i ride so much on-road. These are great tires. And off-road i would just have to deal with it. I 'm not to keen on trying Conti TKC80 or the like on these narrow tires, because i would believe that would make the bike very loose and not so much fun with cold and wet pavement. Which we have a lot here.

Option 2:
Go to Supermoto wheels. 3.50 x 17 front and 4.25 x 17 rear, with 120/70-17 and 160/60-17 (or 150/60-17) tires. I've had a Suzuki Bandit 600 which i also used to off-road with. With rain tires, Heidenau K73. Worked really well and i would think they would perform even better on an SM type bike. A friend has a TT-R 600 with SM wheels and he can go wherever i go with my "dirt" wheels. I would really like to SM the DR, because on road that would make the bike handle even better. Off-road with the right tires it would also be very capable. But i think that with an SM bike, i would like some more power and beter suspension.

Option 3
Go for a 2.50 x 19 font and 4.25 x 17 rear wheel. With 110/80-19 fornt and 150/70-17 rear tire. I would then consider a TKC80 or similar, which would also work very well on the road. Because of the wider tire and therefore larger contact patch. Off-road this would probably work a lot better than the Heidenau K60 i currently have with the 21/17 wheels.

Can anybody shed some light on this?

Thanks
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Old 01-12-2012, 10:15 AM   #58930
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I can feel when the chain is starting to get loose on my DR. It gets a bit vibby. It may be the under side of the chain touching the chain guide at the rear sprocket. Not really sure.
The feel of the DR drive line is pretty sensitive to all this stuff; chain adjustment, worn sprockets or chain, failing bearings, worn Rubber cush drive inserts ... all seem to have an affect on drive line feel.

Phil, I notice you've had some hubb and rear wheel bearing problems. I'm surprised you did not "feel" a drastic change in the drive line.
Also: SOUND. Bad bearings HOWL, make horrible sounds. If you catch them early, no worries. If not? Well, you saw those pics on the Cush Drive forum!

Riding a brand new DR650 is a good way to "re-set" your senses to really know how a DR should "feel" and what sounds it makes. I can always feel when my bike has some sort of wear issue ... I can't tell WHAT specific item is in need of repair ... but the signal is clear that something needs attention.

Tune into your bike. Know it's distress signals, sounds and it's feel.
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Old 01-12-2012, 10:28 AM   #58931
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FCR jetting for altitude

My '06 currently sports the FCR with MX Rob's jetting specs, airbox cutout, JR piston and GSXR can. Run's fabulous here at sea level on a #155 Main jet (I think). Thanks again MX Rob! Any first hand knowledge of how this works at high altitude? Like, contininental divide high? I think I also have a #150 and a #145 on hand...
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Old 01-12-2012, 10:31 AM   #58932
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FWIW... snip ...

....the only way to know for certain where the chains tightest point is and the affect of those other variables is through detailed analysis or by measurement while compressing the suspension through its entire travel.
Maybe the interactions are not strong enough to have a significant affect so the straight line holds true for the DR, but has anyone here tested it properly?
Using a ratchet strap was how I learned to check chain tension and to visually see where the tight zone was and adjust chain accordingly.

Once I do that, I let it go and note amount of slack with bike static, unloaded. That is my new set mark and always adjust chain to that point. On the DR, ratcheting the bike down is a good way to learn why you don't need EITHER chain roller. But to each his own there.

However, with a good chain ... adjustments are infrequent. My last DID VM-2 needed ONE adjustment in about 24K miles. Now why is that?
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Old 01-12-2012, 10:45 AM   #58933
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I never could get mine to tighten up, it helped till my custom Corbin came in. I would just do the seat concepts deal now, I wish that was out back in 2007.
Careful what you wish for. Has anyone put a Seat Concepts kit seat up against a Sargent or Corbin in a true Iron Butt type test?

I just got some good feedback from a good riding buddy. He bought a Seat Concept kit for his NEW Husky 630. Sweet Bike!!!

He claims the stock seat is good for about an hour before serious pain sets in. This guy is a true Iron Butt and can ride 10 hours a day for a week. I know this cause we've ridden together cross country and through Mexico for 10 years.

He said the stock Husky seat was nearly as bad as his stock DR650 seat. Anyway... he says the Seat Concepts is better ... but still only good for about 2 to 3 three hours.

By days end he's pretty much hurting. Not sure Corbin could do any better on that Husky ... as it's narrower frame than the DR by a lot.
Anyway ... this is his 2nd seat for his Husky ... the 1st was a Renazco, which he returned. My leather covered Corbin is pretty good.
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Old 01-12-2012, 10:54 AM   #58934
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On my last trip to Morocco i did this


A little lie down , didn't know i'd busted the oil cooler mount untill a day or two later !! but good old zip ties to the rescue

Been running around like that since November and thought it was about time i got it sorted , so i rooted about on a French second hand site , found one €30 payed for it only to find when it arrived it was wrong
New ones on the left , it's smaller ,has banjo fittings and the brackets are reversed

Heres the damaged one , bent one bracket , snapped the other and crushed the inlet, but it still works !!! may even get my mate to try a brase it back together.

Tough old bike the DR , found another rad , the right one this time , €40 this time but Morroco's calling again !!! might look into a stronger/ longer crash bar !!! Any ideas ????
Phil
Hey Phil,
Looks like a great trip! Any idea what bike the "wrong" oil cooler was off of? It looks very similar ... but everything reversed? Strange.

I'm sure a good fabricator could improve upon the cooler guard ... the stock one has worked well for me ... but I've been lucky and I could see it getting damaged if you land on it wrong. Love to see what you come up with!
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:04 AM   #58935
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I know, I know...

I want to raise my handle bars 2". Will I have an issue with any of the cables being too short/tight?

Thanks, everyone!
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