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Old 02-27-2012, 01:24 PM   #60586
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Howdy all, new DR owner here.

Fly-n-ride from Nashville to Richmond, VA over the weekend. My other bike is an 1150GS. I picked up the DR because I wanted something big enough to travel with, but small enough for the fire roads/powerlines/slow-n-easy offroad stuff.

Jaws, for what it's worth, here are my first impressions.

The trip back was about 200 miles of slab, a Super 8 in Kingsport, then 320 miles of secondary and gravel, including a couple side-trips up FS roads.

Mine has the GSXR exhaust and jet kit, with a 14-tooth countershaft. I was pleasantly surprised at how capable it is for interstate travel- cruising between 70 and 75 was no problem. It's louder than stock but not obnoxious. I had a waterproof Wolfman bag and a helmet bag on the BBQ rack, plus I weigh about 225 (plus about 35lbs of gear, it was cold), so call it 280-ish pounds on the seat. My first impression is that I could use a beefier rear spring if I'm going to really load it up and tour. I'm kind of long-legged and legroom was not an issue. I didn't find the stock seat to be that bad either, actually. YMMV

compared to the GS it feels like a pitbike.

What am I thinking about changing? Not a lot. I will probably upgrade the headlight to H4. Maybe a windshield, but that's not an emergency- if I wind up doing a lot of highway riding it becomes more important. I like the gearing as-is (14-tooth, rather than stock) so far. I'll probably switch to a MEFO rear tire- (currently has D606's) I tend to ride to places and events that are fairly distant, and I'm not a hardcore offroader, so that seems a better fit for me. Oh, the horn sucks. There's a seat upgrade out there someday (maybe) but I've been saying that about the GS for four years now and still haven't done it.

edit- I bought a set of dualsportmirrors from neduro because the stock mirrors are small, and I broke one s on the way home, I ride in heavy traffic sometimes, and I wanted the biggest and most adjustable I could find. Price kinda stung a little, but then again so does road rash.

The upside to buying used is that if you decide it's not the right tool for the job you don't lose as much $$. In my case I figure I'll ride it a couple years, and if I really want a long-term relationship I can buy new after that. Or, if it just doesn't work for me, I can get out without getting beat up too bad. Buying used means if it's a mistake it's cheaper.

So far (after 600 miles in 2 days) I really like it. I've been streetbike only since high school (20-odd years), I forgot how simple and elegant an air-cooled thumper can be to ride, it's strange to look out over the front and actually be able to see the fender rather than a bunch of gauges, LCD, windshield, beak, etc etc...

Good luck
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:31 PM   #60587
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I am running an OEM R6 throttle tube. I don't have any problems, yet. I think if you close the throttle hard often, over time it will probably wear the stop down and catch as well. There was someone here who ended up epoxying a set screw to keep it from catching, but I was not really comfortable with doing that. I did have to do some filing on the stops to achieve full throttle.

Here is the page I am referring to

http://www.advrider.com/forums/print...p=15&page=3456

It is worth it to fiddle with it and get it working. Even though it doesn't add any power (obviously) it actually makes a nice difference in how quick the bike feels.
Thanks for this, it saves me buying an OEM one only to possibly have the same problem. I think I'll have a go at putting a set screw in. Will try to get some photos if my camera is up to the task.

I haven't ridden it yet but based on shed testing I'm looking forward to seeing the difference to stock. I have an FCR-MX carb, so I'm expecting throttle response to be pretty snappy now...
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:34 PM   #60588
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That looks good. What seat is that? Thanks Joe
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I decided to try something different and replaced the stock Trailwings with Michelin T63's. After a few hundred miles I really like them, dirtbike-like grip offroad and not too much noise onroad. I'm not much of a street rider so I couldn't tell you how they work while scraping the pegs.

Here's what the rear looks like:
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:47 PM   #60589
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Did your cylinder have a similar unworn ridge on the top?

That is surprising that the cylinder measured to spec and still had those noticeable lines. By the look of the pic I would have said that cylinder is worn to a taper.

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Those lines in the bottom are not uncommon. The oil rings are often chrome lined on the edges which makes them wear the cylinder more then the other rings; that is what makes it possible to see that and not a top ridge. Also, that position is where the piston is changing direction so the cylinder gets a double dose of ring wear there. Plus the piston tends to want to "rock" in the bottom as the connecting rod goes over center. When it is at the top exhaust gases or compression tend to keep the piston more square in the bore.

I would have liked to see the piston rings before you took them apart. If the oil ring expander (spring looking part) isn't installed correctly it can put excess pressure on the oil rings which causes more wear.
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:57 PM   #60590
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I'm not a fan of the DR on hwy. At least SoCal hwys. I've read guys on her talking about how shell run 80 all day, for me at least she's buzzing and not enjoying it over 70. Sure she'll do it coast to coast but I don't enjoy it. When on my DR I route around hwys, bikes perfect for 0-50/60 blasting and cruising around.
I agree.

You can ride the DR on the freeway but you need to ride with different attitude. If you like to zip around and fly past people doing 80 or 90, choose a different bike. You can keep up but you will ride mostly in the right lane, and people will be passing you constantly. Freeways are more fun with a more powerful bike. So the commuting JAWS134 is talking about would be okay but not great. I could live with it.

But the 150 mile rides out to the country, that's where the DR shines. You get on the freeway out of town- then get off onto the side roads and the dirt as soon as you can. And if you want to travel, stick as much as you can to those kinds of roads. It'll take you a little longer than the autobahns, but you'll have a blast. Crossing the country, or many countries, is fun on a well set up DR.

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Old 02-27-2012, 02:22 PM   #60591
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Thanks for all of the replys folks. That will give me something to chew on over the next few days. I am still undecided. I also have my eye on a Triumph Scrambler. I know two different worlds. Ive been through a bunch of bikes and Im still trying to find what fits my needs. I came from a motocross background so the ADV tourers were my first choice. In all honesty I thought Id bee doing more touring. I just dont get the time to do it. So Fun is the factor. A few days a week to work to save some $$$$ on Gas and the rest of the time jamming around back roads just having fun.

Again thank you for the replies!!

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Old 02-27-2012, 02:24 PM   #60592
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http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...9#post16889209

post 54716

I went from a nice DL650 to the DR and I have no regrets. Not a huge fan of 80mph on the interstate for hours but it can be done, and pretty comfortably at that. I could ride 60 mph all day on regular highways. Got heavier springs, Sargent seat(slippery though) MRA road shield, heated grips, I love this bike. Hope this helps some.







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Hi all,

Huge thread. way to much to dig through. Im getting ready to pull the trigger on a 2012 DR650. I have skimmed this 4000 post thread for info. It seems to me the bike in stock form is pretty bullet proof. I did read about the factory carb settings being lean. Anything to worry about or just ride it? Im coming off of Tiger 1050 then a Vstrom 100 and then a Vstrom 650. My primary purpose is a 70 mile round trip commute on the superslab with some short 150 mile ADV rides out to the country. What are your opinions on the DR for this type of commute? 55-75 MPH on the slab.

Anyone convert from a Vstrom to the DR?

Thank you,

Mark
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Old 02-27-2012, 02:26 PM   #60593
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My Pick up coil just went bad, so I bought the new stator/pick up. Does anyone know if there is a place that buys used/ works stators?
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QUOTE=sagedrifter;18084472]When my regulators died, that always was caused by a weak stator. I fought those sorry Honda 24 amp stators for years. Haven't seen that on a DR650 though.

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Old 02-27-2012, 02:33 PM   #60594
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Has anyone fitted an OEM Yamaha R1/R6/YZ/WR throttle tube to their DR? I fitted a Motion Pro R1 throttle tube, and it catches slightly on full closed. Not enough to be a problem I think, but not perfect.

The plastic part where the cable ends slot into seems to be a bit narrow, which seems to allow the plastic to slip between the throttle closed stops slightly.

I am wondering if the OEM Yamaha item is a little thicker, and so perhaps doesn't have this problem.
I'm going to find out soon enough.....R6 throttle tube....

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Old 02-27-2012, 02:41 PM   #60595
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I have owned two V STrom 1000's, one Wee Strom 650, and two DR650's. About 70,000 miles total on the 1000's. Only about 7000 miles on the 650 Strom. Probaly about 4000 on the DR650's. The DR650 will not be as comfy as the Strom's but I have done slab commute on the DR and did not find that to be a uncomfortable problem. The DR will run slab speeds with no problem with stock gearing and have even done that with lower gearing. Mainly however when I knew I was only doing interstate I would install my 16 tooth countershaft spocket just to make things easier for the motor and reduce vibrations on my feet and hands but this was really not necessary, just did it anyway.

DR650's are a very reliable bike and cost effective by current standards in my opinion. That after owning something over 60 motorcycles and riding a little less than 300,000 miles.

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Hi all,

Huge thread. way to much to dig through. Im getting ready to pull the trigger on a 2012 DR650. I have skimmed this 4000 post thread for info. It seems to me the bike in stock form is pretty bullet proof. I did read about the factory carb settings being lean. Anything to worry about or just ride it? Im coming off of Tiger 1050 then a Vstrom 100 and then a Vstrom 650. My primary purpose is a 70 mile round trip commute on the superslab with some short 150 mile ADV rides out to the country. What are your opinions on the DR for this type of commute? 55-75 MPH on the slab.

Anyone convert from a Vstrom to the DR?

Thank you,

Mark
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Old 02-27-2012, 02:45 PM   #60596
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Hi all,

Huge thread. way to much to dig through. Im getting ready to pull the trigger on a 2012 DR650. I have skimmed this 4000 post thread for info. It seems to me the bike in stock form is pretty bullet proof. I did read about the factory carb settings being lean. Anything to worry about or just ride it? Im coming off of Tiger 1050 then a Vstrom 100 and then a Vstrom 650. My primary purpose is a 70 mile round trip commute on the superslab with some short 150 mile ADV rides out to the country. What are your opinions on the DR for this type of commute? 55-75 MPH on the slab.

Anyone convert from a Vstrom to the DR?

Thank you,

Mark
Iíll go against the grain and say, buy new. Keep new m/c sales up. Around here, finding a nice DR for not much money isnít that easy. Most have farkles you donít need and they get a pretty good premium for a well maintained DR. Yeah, you might save a few bucks, but if you get a good deal on new, especially during a period when Suzuki has incentives, youíre not spending much more to have a bike and you KNOW the maintenance.
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Old 02-27-2012, 03:09 PM   #60597
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Im coming off of Tiger 1050 then a Vstrom 100 and then a Vstrom 650. My primary purpose is a 70 mile round trip commute on the superslab with some short 150 mile ADV rides out to the country. What are your opinions on the DR for this type of commute? 55-75 MPH on the slab.

Anyone convert from a Vstrom to the DR?

Thank you,

Mark
Mark - all 3 of the bikes you mention sound better for your intended use than a DR650.

I am a former V-Strom 650 owner, and while I didn't like it much on rutted dirt roads or off-road, it was a great all-rounder and capable highway bike.

The DR650 is a fine bike, but it wouldn't be my 1st choice for slabbing daily.

I agree with most of the others re: new vs. used. Lots of money to be saved buying used, which could be put towards luggage, suspension, saddle, etc.

I like the looks of the Scrambler and Bonneville a lot, but - the Scram's high pipe makes luggage a pain, and really other than being handsome, it shares the same mission profile as the V-Storm 650 - a 500 lb street bike with off road pretentions. Just because some guys with skills can ride 'em offroad (cue Rhodie) doesn't make them the right tool for the job. I'd prefer the Bonneville for the slightly higher HP, and pipes that won't interfere with my knee or luggage. The Steve McQueen limited edition Bonnie is sweet:

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Old 02-27-2012, 03:53 PM   #60598
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I will be sure and talk to my buddy about the rings. No other wear on the cylinder other than the rings at the bottom. I am not the original owner, I bought it in like new condition in 2006 with 6350 miles on it for a grand sum of $1650. I sure have gotten my moneys worth. I use an MSR foam filter and it is great shape and every oil change I clean and re-oil it. My air-box is not cut out either, still has snorkel.


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Here is a random pic of the top of of a worn cylinder (disregard the Southern American spelling ;-)

http://vintagetractorengineer.com/wp...worn-liner.jpg

Did your cylinder have a similar unworn ridge on the top?

That is surprising that the cylinder measured to spec and still had those noticeable lines. By the look of the pic I would have said that cylinder is worn to a taper.

But you did the absolutely the right thing by have the cylinder re-coated and honed. The bike will be good to go for a lot of years!

Once the new rings are installed on the piston be sure to check the clearance between the ring lands and the piston ring and make sure its in spec. The piston make look great but the ring lands will be worn out of spec. That means your new rings will be moving around compromising the seal against the cylinder and wearing out quickly.

Out of interests sake are you the original owner? What kind of air filter oil do you use.
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Old 02-27-2012, 03:57 PM   #60599
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Just got all my goodies installed and went for a ride. The procycle low pegs are way more comfortable. The moose racing hand guards are solid but a bit of a pain to install. The ims tank went on without any problems and I was able to keep the charcoal canister ( I know... But I'm a bit of a tree hugger). The b-king wind screen seems like the ticket for high speeds. It just takes a little bit of wind blast off my chest. It might be just what you need for the freeway, jaws. I think I will return the factory pro jet kit and save up for a tm40. Thanks for the advice.

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Old 02-27-2012, 03:58 PM   #60600
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Interesting. Bike had never been opened up so any assembly problems were from Suzuki. So you think a ring could snap in those or should I have left it alone and continued to ride it?

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Those lines in the bottom are not uncommon. The oil rings are often chrome lined on the edges which makes them wear the cylinder more then the other rings; that is what makes it possible to see that and not a top ridge. Also, that position is where the piston is changing direction so the cylinder gets a double dose of ring wear there. Plus the piston tends to want to "rock" in the bottom as the connecting rod goes over center. When it is at the top exhaust gases or compression tend to keep the piston more square in the bore.

I would have liked to see the piston rings before you took them apart. If the oil ring expander (spring looking part) isn't installed correctly it can put excess pressure on the oil rings which causes more wear.
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