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Old 03-20-2012, 06:33 PM   #61666
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I recently mounted Kenda Big Blocks on my DR (OEM wheel set) and immediately noticed that I have lost highway speed stability (wobbles) anywhere above 65 mph indicated. Is this what I should have expected? When I ride with my brother who lives at the foot of the San Bernadino mountains I'm happy to have the knobs, but when I am back up in the Bay Area where I have to slab it to get to dirt I hate them.

I've toyed with the idea of a second wheel set with something along the lines of GP-1s. I've tried troubleshooting the wobble with no success. And I don't want to be swapping tires everytime I head south.

Ideas? Advice? How stable is your DR at highway speeds? And what tires are you on that provide that stability? Would a 19" front provide more stability over a 21" given the same tire?

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Real dirt tires suck on the street and real street tires suck on the dirt. Life and dual sport tires are a compromise. A 19" front with the same tire will be somewhat less stable than a 21" due to the decrease in rake and trail involved in lowering the front. If you lower the rear also you get back to where you started. I'm running the 19"/17' combo, so this is not conjecture. Those Kenda's won't last very long, you could just grin and bear it, and then get something like Shinko 700's next time (maybe Metfo Explorers if you are feeling flush). They are not as good in the loose, but worlds better on pavement, closer to the 'ideal' dual sport 50/50, or go with the second wheel set. If you go with the latter PM me I have what you want.
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:44 PM   #61667
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Thanks for the info.

Carb is fully assemebled and on the bike, attached firmly to the motor and air box.

When not attached to the carb the cables slide in/out with ease. Just to make sure I have it correct, when I pull the throttle back the cable should extend out, while the push should retract? That's my understanding at the moment. When disconnected from the carb, should the throttle snap right back to "rest" when I let go of it while rotating?.. because mine just stays put.

The carb itself the throttle rotation thingy-ma-bob rotates freely with no cables attached, lots of spring tension when fully rotated and snaps right back when let off. I'll keep playing with it til I figure it out.
You have the cables hooked up backassward, more throttle is pull, less is push.
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:10 PM   #61668
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Real dirt tires suck on the street and real street tires suck on the dirt. Life and dual sport tires are a compromise. A 19" front with the same tire will be somewhat less stable than a 21" due to the decrease in rake and trail involved in lowering the front. If you lower the rear also you get back to where you started. I'm running the 19"/17' combo, so this is not conjecture. Those Kenda's won't last very long, you could just grin and bear it, and then get something like Shinko 700's next time (maybe Metfo Explorers if you are feeling flush). They are not as good in the loose, but worlds better on pavement, closer to the 'ideal' dual sport 50/50, or go with the second wheel set. If you go with the latter PM me I have what you want.
That makes sense about the stability issue. How are you liking your 19"/17" setup? Did you lower your rear as you suggest? Are you riding much offroad with them? What tires are you running now and do you like them? I'm curious how many DR riders use 2 wheel sets.

Reading above I will try dropping the psi a bit. I've also heard that once the tires have broken in some that they become slightly more manageable.

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Old 03-20-2012, 07:42 PM   #61669
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Shinko 700's ??

Hey sagedrifter ....

How much noise do the 700's put out on the road ?? ...

Thanks ...
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I really like the Shinko 700 as an all rounder, nice and stabil on the pavement and good on most surfaces. The 244 Shinko is cheap and better off road but, short lived on pavement.

Tires are always a compromise, I like to run a mild knob on the front and a mild DS tire like a 700, Anakee, 705, Kenda 761 etc. on the rear. I've been running the 700 Shinko on the front lately and its actually decent on gravel roads and dirt trails with the mild 705 on the rear.

If your an aggressive DS rider that does ride slab at speed, try a MT 21 / Shinko 700 combo or maybe a Mefo on the rear.

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Old 03-20-2012, 07:44 PM   #61670
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Grrr, for the life of me I'm have some issues hooking up the throttle cables to the stock carb. I put both cables on (push cable on frontmost, pull cable on rearmost) and both cables have tension, but as I rotate the throttle back to WOT and release it just sticks, not returning to rest.

I can rotate the throttle by hand but whatever position I leave it at it won't return to rest. I attached just the pull cable and the throttle fully at rest and start the bike it starts up like it is at WOT. This is very frustrating! First time I've ever done something like this so what am I doing wrong?
You didn't say why the cables were off the carb and that might be a clue.
My suggestion is to remove the seat and gas tank so you can follow the cables from throttle to carb.
I managed to pinch one cable on another bike and had to remove them to find the problem.
However, if the throttle operates the cables smoothly when not connected to the carb, that is not the problem.

OK, throttle cable running free now?
The problem is the carb.
Did you take it apart?
Does the cable plate on the carb rotate correctly and snap shut when you release it?
Start the bike without the cables attached.
Does the engine idle properly and rev up and down when you operate the cable plate?
The answers to these questions will show where the problem is.
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:08 PM   #61671
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You didn't say why the cables were off the carb and that might be a clue.
My suggestion is to remove the seat and gas tank so you can follow the cables from throttle to carb.
I managed to pinch one cable on another bike and had to remove them to find the problem.
However, if the throttle operates the cables smoothly when not connected to the carb, that is not the problem.

OK, throttle cable running free now?
The problem is the carb.
Did you take it apart?
Does the cable plate on the carb rotate correctly and snap shut when you release it?
Start the bike without the cables attached.
Does the engine idle properly and rev up and down when you operate the cable plate?
The answers to these questions will show where the problem is.
Carb was off due to me removing the pumper carb (sold the TM40, returning this bike back to stock.. I have 2 DR's so no need for 2 farkled bikes), putting the stock carb back on.
The cable plate rotates freely, snaps shut. Bike is in another garage at the moment so when I get off work tomorrow I'll try these suggestions I'm guessing I just had the cables on backwards.
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:18 PM   #61672
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Hey sagedrifter ....

How much noise do the 700's put out on the road ?? ...

Thanks ...
Not noisy to me. My last TKC-80 front was much louder. I don't get the low speed vibration with the 700's, they don't cup as bad for some reason. My last two non-700 fronts cupped and hummed noticibly at 4K, one Anakee and the TKC-80. The current 700 has very light cupping at 4K, it still looks new.

Its hard to say exactly, but they are no louder than a 705 as far as I can remember. I can hear them when I'm not wearing ear plugs, but I can hear the mild 705's too.
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:54 PM   #61673
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I know what you are talking about, a very home-made looking battery.
But very clean looking, not a negative about how it looks.
Are you talking about the Baja Designs battery?



It's made for running lights on a converted dual sport with low electrical needs. I made a similar NiCad battery for my old XL600r (no electric start) and it eventually fried from overcharging.
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Old 03-21-2012, 03:00 AM   #61674
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That makes sense about the stability issue. How are you liking your 19"/17" setup? Did you lower your rear as you suggest? Are you riding much offroad with them? What tires are you running now and do you like them? I'm curious how many DR riders use 2 wheel sets.

Reading above I will try dropping the psi a bit. I've also heard that once the tires have broken in some that they become slightly more manageable.

Mark
Once my TKC's "broke in" they've been like glue to any surface I run them on. As mentioned a little earlier my only complaint is wobbles above 70 and rear wear from pavement. I'm a big fan of the 19Fx17R combo. Had it on both my DR's.

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Old 03-21-2012, 03:17 AM   #61675
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So, need some advice from the collective.

several months ago i made the mistake of putting my gaerne sg-12's away before they were completely dry. they of course, started growing mold or mildew, not sure which but they stunk. so, i washed 'em in a strong lysol bath and left them under a fan in the sun for two days. didn't work. treated them with heavy lysol sprays for days on end while they baked in the tropical sun. still no joy.

i'm thinking my only option is bleach, which will of course bleach out the liners. and while i firmly believe that form follows function, i'd rather seek a non-damaging alternative before i ruin a $500 pair of boots.

any ideas?

tia
This vendor sells Gaerne, and seems knowledgeable. Ask him: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=669864
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Old 03-21-2012, 03:58 AM   #61676
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Big Blocks are fairly soft and aggressive, the will feel squirmy at speed when aired up. My first thought is too much air pressure.

I can run aggressive tires at 28 psi up to 70 mph or so with a touring load. I really notice wiggle above 75. The rear will wiggle around even with a mild TKC with 30 psi, I drop the pressure to 28 and it is much better, at 25 psi it goes away.

I really like the Shinko 700 as an all rounder, nice and stabil on the pavement and good on most surfaces. The 244 Shinko is cheap and better off road but, short lived on pavement.

Tires are always a compromise, I like to run a mild knob on the front and a mild DS tire like a 700, Anakee, 705, Kenda 761 etc. on the rear. I've been running the 700 Shinko on the front lately and its actually decent on gravel roads and dirt trails with the mild 705 on the rear.

If your an aggressive DS rider that does ride slab at speed, try a MT 21 / Shinko 700 combo or maybe a Mefo on the rear.

I have not tried GP-1's, I usually go with a cheaper option. If I was going to spend the money, I would try the Mefo option.
I mounted an MT-21 Sunday, and have a Mefo Explorer rear. Haven't ridden yet except around the block. Will report back in the future.
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Old 03-21-2012, 04:58 AM   #61677
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My fornt 2,50 x 19 rim is from a european Suzuki XF 650 Freewind. It uses the same hub as the DR 650. And therefore was a direct bolt in.

My rear which should be in the mail today, will be a Warp9 4,25 x 17 rim, with buchanon spokes.

I hope to be able to complete my bike this evening and be on 2 wheels again tomorrow. Really anxious to see how the TKC80's will work.

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Old 03-21-2012, 05:33 AM   #61678
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Yikes. No. That's the incorrect number from the service manual. It's OK for upper bolt, but not lower.

Post from Rick at Cogent: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=239
This is invaluable advice, don't argue with it and let's include / highlight it, in Crustys DR thread index, someone...

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Old 03-21-2012, 05:33 AM   #61679
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how hard is it to replace the cush drive bearing? how do you get it out? how much play should it have when the wheel is off? i took my wheel off today and the spacer seems to move around a little. 9500 miles 09 dr650.
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Old 03-21-2012, 05:52 AM   #61680
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Tea Tree Oil!

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So, need some advice from the collective.

several months ago i made the mistake of putting my gaerne sg-12's away before they were completely dry. they of course, started growing mold or mildew, not sure which but they stunk. so, i washed 'em in a strong lysol bath and left them under a fan in the sun for two days. didn't work. treated them with heavy lysol sprays for days on end while they baked in the tropical sun. still no joy.

i'm thinking my only option is bleach, which will of course bleach out the liners. and while i firmly believe that form follows function, i'd rather seek a non-damaging alternative before i ruin a $500 pair of boots.

any ideas?

tia
if your up for a natural alternative method i recently had some mold issues in our closets and hate all the chemicals so i went for the natural method.

there are tons of natural oils that are anti-fungal, bacteria, viral..etc...
tea tree oil works great. another is oregano oil(but kinda stinky)

my suggestion would be to submerge the boots in sink/bucket filled with water and maybe like 10 drops of tea tree oil(kinda depends on the brand some are more potent than others) let them soak then do another rinse/soak of just water. And for future even if they were dry you natural sweat will make them moldy so you could put drops of tea tree mixed with water in spray bottle and spray them or leave them out in the sun that's a natural mold killer as well.

and try a closet moist collector maybe too. I use damp check its like a 3inchx4inch container (bought at christmas tree shop) and it collects the moisture in bottom of container.

hope that helps
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