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Old 04-06-2012, 08:23 PM   #62491
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I just spent a day doing Spring maintenance on my DR650. I checked the valves (they did not need adjusting at 7500 miles), replaced the NSU screws and safety wired them in (not to difficult but requires patience and a few hand crafted tools if you do not remove the clutch basket), and removed the upper chain roller and replaced it with a Loctite in set screw).
The original NSU screws were a little more than finger tight. Just out of curiosity how many have done the valves and found no adjustment required.
Now if it will just stop raining in Oregon.
After seeing some of the problems some have removing the clutch I will do it like you did mine is a 2011 with 2022 mi I am doing it next oil change!
your upper chain roller hole you did not use loctite? silicone?
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:34 PM   #62492
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Question for those of you familiar with the Ricor Intimidators (this discussion doesn’t really involve the Gold Valves). I have a 2006 DR650 with the Intimidators up front and the Cogent rear shock, with around 12k miles. Back around 6-7k miles when I was on the middle of the Great Divide Ride, I noticed that my forks did not seem as smooth and plush in their sliding action. A few months ago I serviced the fork with new seals and 5wt Maxima fork oil (as recommended by Ricor) thinking it might help. No luck. Over the last few days I have been playing around A LOT with fork alignment, attempting to get the forks at the same height in the triple clamps, keeping the triple bolt clams just snug for the fitup. I snugged the axle bolt down while trying all sorts of combinations of keeping the spacer, speed gear, and brake caliper off the bike so the right leg can properly align to be parallel with the left leg. No luck.

Basically, what I am feeling is a binding/stiction sensation as I compress the fork legs slowly. If I push down hard and fast, it seems to rebound like it is supposed to, at least on the initial quick motion up. But if I push down slowly, I have to pull up on the bars a little to get the bike to rise back up to the normal ride height. It is just enough stiction/binding for me to be paranoid, but not enough that would indicate a very large issue. I don’t seem to notice it much while riding, but I do notice that under hard braking my front fender tip will buzz the D606 knobs sometimes (especially after riding the Divide Ride with two tubes in my fender back, with the fender flopping around). Not sure if the fender has distorted/bent some, or if I am really just having bad dive, which the Ricor’s are not supposed to do.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.
The Ricor Intiminators have a piston ring like seal that seals the perimeter of the valve against the inside diameter of the fork tube. You have to be careful when installing them that you don't pinch, invert, or misposition this seal. I would imagine that could be a possible scenario if you are experiencing excessive binding/stiction.

From what I have read and my experience with the Ricor Intiminators in my bike...the Race Tech Cartridge Emulators are better suited for off road use. I have never ridden a bike with emulators before, but the Intiminators become very harsh when braking hard with the front brake over choppy terrain. This is were the inertia valve that is such a benefit fighting brake dive on the street works against you off road. Yes I'm using the recommended 5 W fork oil.

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Old 04-06-2012, 08:39 PM   #62493
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I am going to lower the rear shock to the second hole and the forks about 3/4-1". Where is the best places to support the bike from when doing each? Where does the pressure need to be taken off? Any little tricks when doing each. Do the forks slide pretty easy up when lossened or do you have to hammer them at all? Will a little WD-40 on the forks help? Also do you really need to flip the rear shock spacer at the top? What would happen if you just droped the bolt one hole and called it good? Thanks.
If you ride in the lower 3/4 of the performance envelope the simple lowering will work for you, but, if you don't flip the rear spacer and move the front spacer as instructed in the shop manual, you will have more suspension travel than clearance to the fenders. Works ok until you hit the big bump, get some air, or get really hard on the brakes, then it gets messy. Do it right the peace of mind is worth the trouble.
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:41 PM   #62494
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I was trying to adjust my valves last fall when I stripped the crank access cover, not a big deal since I can spin the rear tire to find the timing mark.

You can get that access cover off by getting the bike good and hot and then driving the cover with a hammer and chisel.
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:42 PM   #62495
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I supported mine on the frame under the motor to take the weight off the rear tire. You will find if you lift the tire a little when trying to remove the bolt from the shock it will make it easier to get the bolt out.

Once you loosen the fork clamps a slight twist will make it easy to slide them up/down to adjust the height. Most people do one fork at a time and only loosen the clamps enough to slide them. It's also easier to raise the forks when there is some weight on the front end. So doing one fork at a time will avoid having the front of the bike drop on you (hope that made sense).

I've always flipped the spring perch at the bottom (not the top) of the shock as suggested in the manual. I slid my forks up but will be doing the factory lowering on the forks now that I know I will be keeping it lowered. I just did not feel like taking the forks apart until I knew I liked it lower.

But if you are just wanting to lower the bike to see if you will like it then you could just move the bolt to the other hole on the rear shock and slide the forks up as a test. Then if you like it, do it the right way and do the full factory lowering.

Jon...
Thanks Jon all done. The forks were a little bit of a stuggle until I realized that I needed to loosen the fork dust cover band at the top as well as the clamps. I was bring the thing up and down pushing with all I could and just could not see why they would no slide up. I loosened the little dust cover bands and they slide right up! I cut 3/4" of an inch out of the kick stand and will be having my buddy weld it back together tomorrow. I didn't flip the spring perch as of yet but I will try and find out why that is important because all I have read just says to do it but nothing on why it's needed? I know I read a few posts where guys said they didn't do it and didn't have any problems? Thanks again for the help!
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:43 PM   #62496
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After seeing some of the problems some have removing the clutch I will do it like you did mine is a 2011 with 2022 mi I am doing it next oil change!
your upper chain roller hole you did not use loctite? silicone?

I did mine without removing the clutch. I used allen bolts and safety wire too. Just takes a little patience and some finesse. An allen wrench with the sort side ground down will make the job easier.

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Old 04-06-2012, 08:52 PM   #62497
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After seeing some of the problems some have removing the clutch I will do it like you did mine is a 2011 with 2022 mi I am doing it next oil change!
your upper chain roller hole you did not use loctite? silicone?
I used the blue Loctite.
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:12 PM   #62498
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Just out of curiosity how many have done the valves and found no adjustment required.
I've checked mine twice -- at ~4000 miles when I bought it (PO had never checked), and again at 7000 miles. Spot on both times on all 4 valves. I wouldn't worry even if I only checked them every 15,000 miles from here on out, but it's so quick and easy that I'll probably keep checking them at the recommended interval.
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:13 PM   #62499
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I did mine without removing the clutch. I used allen bolts and safety wire too. Just takes a little patience and some finesse. An allen wrench with the sort side ground down will make the job easier.

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I already have the allen bolts and the proto driver tool.
I dont wont to get it apart and have to put all the parts in a box and take it to a shop and say fix it! I have a gold master card!
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:21 PM   #62500
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I used the blue Loctite.
Most Brother DR Riders here use RTV silicone in the hole to keep the crap out of the frame and bunging up the threads just in case Procycle comes out with a upper roller hole solar panel add on that gets 75 mpg.
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:24 PM   #62501
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Most Brother DR Riders here use RTV silicone in the hole to keep the crap out of the frame and bunging up the threads just in case Procycle comes out with a upper roller hole solar panel add on that gets 75 mpg.
Pencil eraser.

Just change it now and then... Mines been in for about 4 years. I better change it soon.
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Old 04-06-2012, 10:08 PM   #62502
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No worries Lex. Anyone who wants a real world report on
KTM 690 long term performance only need read this Ride Report by Fish Fund. Pretty much sums it up. Orange Kool-Aid boys can spin it any way they want; heard it all before. Skip up to page Nine to get to bike stuff. The first 9 pages are fluff.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...ight=fish+fund
I snikker every time I see you post that link. It's even funnier since I read the link. My buddy is a KTM fanatic. Yep, they're faster and yep they're rumored to be lighter (the current 690 is 142 kg (313 lb.) DRY. Oh, wait, that's only 20 pounds lighter than my DR . But I ride solo and dependability it my first concern. I love my DR650 with 30,390 miles and NO failures (well, ok........I've had an occassional flat tire ).

The KTM 500 EXC is $9899. Seems they don't want me to know how much the 690's are.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:08 PM   #62503
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if you ride in the lower 3/4 of the performance envelope the simple lowering will work for you, but, if you don't flip the rear spacer and move the front spacer as instructed in the shop manual, you will have more suspension travel than clearance to the fenders. Works ok until you hit the big bump, get some air, or get really hard on the brakes, then it gets messy. Do it right the peace of mind is worth the trouble.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:16 PM   #62504
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The Ricor Intiminators have a piston ring like seal that seals the perimeter of the valve against the inside diameter of the fork tube. You have to be careful when installing them that you don't pinch, invert, or misposition this seal. I would imagine that could be a possible scenario if you are experiencing excessive binding/stiction.

From what I have read and my experience with the Ricor Intiminators in my bike...the Race Tech Cartridge Emulators are better suited for off road use. I have never ridden a bike with emulators before, but the Intiminators become very harsh when braking hard with the front brake over choppy terrain. This is were the inertia valve that is such a benefit fighting brake dive on the street works against you off road. Yes I'm using the recommended 5 W fork oil.

Tech23
Spot On!
Based on my dim memories of all the banter regards Iniminators vs. Emulators ... what you've described is the conclusion most came too.
Intiminators better ON ROAD, Race Tech better off road.

Thanks for the clarification and for refreshing memories on this. It's all here but hard to track down among 60K plus posts.
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Old 04-07-2012, 12:02 AM   #62505
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Well, then, there you have it. I have now ACTUALLY gone thru all pages from 2008 to here. I was going to go back to this info. . . .so thanks A-G for summing up. ( 3000 some-odd pages?. . .good lord, what a nerd). My wife was starting to wonder why I was always on the laptop at It's A Grind or Starbucks when we had a brew. Normally I just stare out into space.. ." another bike, some other time" . . .
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