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Old 04-06-2012, 12:05 PM   #62506
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Could this be true ?
My friend who is a Suzuki dealer told me Suzuki has stopped production on DR650's and 400's now. The last of them are here and thats it. He is thinking they may be revamping it for 2013.
Speculation, misinformation or fact ?
Most of my inside Suzuki connections are gone now. But I would not be surprised if this is true. Had to happen at some point.

My advice? Buy another DR650 while you can.

The good news is they are all the same so even an older DR can be farkled and modded to be as good as ANY DR650! I applaud Suzuki for continuing the bike for so long. It's been a great run!

Any bets most of us here won't be in love with it's replacement?
At a guess I'd say it's going to be:
Water cooled, 450cc dual sport bike. (based on DRZ400S and current MX'er, detuned)
More dirt oriented than DR650.
Better stock suspension than DR650
Aluminum frame
Very narrow seat (not touring friendly)
Taller
and of course .... Fuel Injected
CAT Convertor? Possible.
Lighter? Yes, but it won't be light.

Basically an updated version of the DRZ400S. At a Press Launch I attended in '07 or '08 (for the Burgmann) A Japanese exec. promised a "new"
Dual sport. Would not utter a word beyond that. Then ... years go by and it never came. Then the MC market collapsed and Suzuki cut it's US imports by over half ... really only bringing in a few models ... and no DR's. This went on for two years.

Now, with things picking back up and Adventure bikes taking off (something I told them would happen 7 years ago!) they finally are ready to make a move. What will it be? Anybody's guess really.

If I could whisper in a Suzuki exec's ear this is the "new" DR I would suggest:

All new, modern, 650cc high performance motor
(this would be BIG money in R&D for Suzuki)
Lower 1st and 2nd gear, taller 5th gear ... or add 6th gear.
F.I. (no way around it with EPA regs)
Water cooled (goes with F.I.) Built in Rad guards as stock
Moto Cross quality suspension front and rear
Taller overall ... with ability to lower
Steel frame, much the same as current design
Top shelf Excel or DID wheels
Better brakes, big rotor
4 gallon stock tank, with 6 gallon option
Wide pegs
Hand Guards
IPhone 4 type Dash like new Ducati Panigale (NO digital)
Strong steel sub frame to carry luggage (like current bike)
Wide seat, yet narrow in front for standing
and lastly ... to blow KTM and Husky out of the water ... a Full SM version!

Finally ...
A full catalog of accessories from Suzuki: Big tank, Touring seat, Low seat, crash bars, Shield options, Luggage (hard and soft) Tail bags, Competition pipe.

Every other OEM making real adventure bikes are offering these catalogs for their bikes. Huge profits there.
Check out what Triumph have for the 800XC Tiger and new Explorer.

Yamaha have caught onto this with the Star Cruisers and now the Super Tenere.
What are Suzuki doing? Huge missed opportunity. I blame the Dead Wood sitting in Brea, CA at American Suzuki. Clueless.
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Old 04-06-2012, 01:05 PM   #62507
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edit: 205'd by DS. Here's the long version.

First remove the tank and hose off the debris that's going to fall into the open plug hole, including the spark plug recess. Then remove the rocker covers and the outside spark plug. Drop something long, soft and skinny into the plug hole (I use a straw), as vertical as possible (Push it toward the frame. You're trying to keep the straw from bending as the piston rises). Rotate the engine until the straw is at TDC.

Now wiggle the rockers, if they're loose you're at TDC on the compression stroke (where you want to be). If they're tight, you're on TDC of the exhaust stroke. Both valves are at the overlap position on the cam and both are slightly open. Do this two or three times to make sure you're on compression TDC. As a second check: if the feeler gauge is tight on all four rockers, you're probably on the wrong TDC; rotate 360* and try again.

I'm going to speculate here, so YMMV, IMO, yada yada yada. Since both valves are closed for almost one full revolution (BDC, compression, power, BDC) the straw is more than accurate enough. The exact position of the "T" doesn't matter.

If this is wrong, someone speak up and I'll edit it.

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Can't get any more right than this.
I assumed he already knew how/when his comp. stroke was happening.

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Old 04-06-2012, 01:19 PM   #62508
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That is a good way to do it.

Also, if you know your strokes (intake-piston down, compression-piston up, power-piston down, exhaust-piston up) you can do this:

Using ER's straw in a plug hole, watch the intake valves open, then close and the straw come all the way up. You are now on the compression stroke and can adjust valves.
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Old 04-06-2012, 01:21 PM   #62509
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I call BS on the DR 650 ...why would they?
I agree. And they have the Wee. Not close to the same bike now, but, it could BE if they changed the DR drasticly.
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Old 04-06-2012, 01:23 PM   #62510
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I just buy a shim kit from HotCams so I have shims on hand. My closest dealer is over an hour away, so 2 hours travel time plus gas. $80 is a bargain, especially when you use the shim you calculated should be the right one, but it's a little too close to being outside spec, so you look in your shim kit and hey, there's the one I really need right there. Doing your own maintenance and NOT being close to civilization makes things like a shim kit pretty valuable to have around. $80 for 140+ shims seems like a good deal.

Shim Kits

Still have one for our sons KTM that was the wrong size for my CBF so I have both sizes of shims now.
When I was doing my GSXR600 track bike I found what shims were in the head then what I needed then just bought bags of shims around the size I was working. With 16 valves the kit always seemed to not have enough of the ONE size I needed. Even pulling the head apart every year and doing seats I always seemed to have the right ones.
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Old 04-06-2012, 01:26 PM   #62511
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Those Wolfman bags use two 2"-wide over the seat straps to take most of the weight.
Thanks Joe, I'd forgotten, been forever since I've seen them in person. Makes a big difference over long haul if you carry a load off road.
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Old 04-06-2012, 03:02 PM   #62512
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Supporting bike when lowering?

I am going to lower the rear shock to the second hole and the forks about 3/4-1". Where is the best places to support the bike from when doing each? Where does the pressure need to be taken off? Any little tricks when doing each. Do the forks slide pretty easy up when lossened or do you have to hammer them at all? Will a little WD-40 on the forks help? Also do you really need to flip the rear shock spacer at the top? What would happen if you just droped the bolt one hole and called it good? Thanks.

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Old 04-06-2012, 03:13 PM   #62513
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Garry,
Been a while since I've seen the Wolfman bags mounted up. Do they use any sort of over the seat type strap ... or is the entire weight taken by the side racks?

If that is the case then I would not use them in that configuration. I've already seen the threaded mounting bolt points on the DR650 either crack or strip.
Hanging a pannier with 20 to 30 lbs. of gear in it and doing rough terrain may stress the mounting points after a few 1000 miles. (or sooner)

A throw-over design takes most of the stress off the pannier frames/mounting points. I like the design and lowness of the Wolfman. I think I'd rig a big strap over the seat to take some or most of the load. I'm sure the panniers themselves are strong enough but I can guarantee you that the threaded mounting points on the DR are not. Been there, done that.
As Joefromsf posted, the Wolfman bags have two straps over the seat and are adjustable to take the weight off the mounting points. The straps at the rack mounting points allow you to pull the bags up tight to the racks for a very secure fit.
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Old 04-06-2012, 03:33 PM   #62514
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Still selling 'em here in colorado

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Could this be true ?
My friend who is a Suzuki dealer told me Suzuki has stopped production on DR650's and 400's now. The last of them are here and thats it. He is thinking they may be revamping it for 2013.
Speculation, misinformation or fact ?
There's a 2012 DR650 sitting on the showroom floor here in Northern CO, and they have another one arriving in a few weeks. The sales manager says they (Suzuki) "might be" limiting production, but no word that production will end.

My guess is that unless Suzuki comes up with a viable replacement, the DR650 will survive.

Ride 'em if you got 'em!

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Old 04-06-2012, 03:46 PM   #62515
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As Joefromsf posted, the Wolfman bags have two straps over the seat and are adjustable to take the weight off the mounting points. The straps at the rack mounting points allow you to pull the bags up tight to the racks for a very secure fit.
Yep...liking my Wolfman Gen2s very much. Just fitted up 2 pelican 1550s with quick release mounts to use on the racks when I need more than just the soft bags.

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Old 04-06-2012, 04:26 PM   #62516
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Shim kits at ktm-parts.com cost over $80. Too much money for maybe 6-8 shims that will be used over the course of the bike’s life. I recall for my KLR650, individual shims were $7 and a kit of (16) was around $90. I bought individual shims, as needed - and traveled to the Kawasaki dealer for the shims the one time I need them.

A serious question: Mike, my friend with the KTM, would like to know where you buy shims for $1.75, at that price he plans to order a few in the common sizes to have on hand. And, at that price, what does a kit of all the shim sizes cost?

Thanks in advance for the info on where to purchase those shims.

Here's a friendly smilie, for helping out my friend:

Lex


This may be hard to believe, but tell him to check with his local Harley dealer. Buell's with the Rotax motors use the same shims. Or if he can wait 2 or 3 days here. http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/...im/VALVE+SHIMS

Obviously all he needs is a couple shims of a few sizes smaller then what is currently in the bike. Or if he's really broke, he can just file down the shims that are in the bike.
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Old 04-06-2012, 04:34 PM   #62517
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Yep...liking my Wolfman Gen2s very much. Just fitted up 2 pelican 1550s with quick release mounts to use on the racks when I need more than just the soft bags.
When I read this, I was surprised that the Pelican 1550s would hold that much more. 32L vs. 19L is significant.

My Nelson Riggs 950 bags have been on 4 bikes so far. EX500, DL650, CBF1000, DR650. Bought them used from an inmate. I use those light-weight, coated nylon, roll-top dry bags designed for canoeing inside the saddle bags for water-proofing. Everything stays dry, and when you head into the tent on motel, just grab the bag and go. Wifey hates luggage on her bike, so if moteling (we don't need too much stuff), she gets one side and I get the other. When camping, she has saddlebags too. Spoiled. But it makes life easier when we keep the spousal-unit happy, right?

I sure do likje the looks of those Wolfman saddlebags and new version racks though. The Wman tankbag on my DR is super so I'm sure their other stuff is too.
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Old 04-06-2012, 04:53 PM   #62518
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Thanks. I didn't know they made a 130/90-17 until the other day. think I might try one out.


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Yep. . .a tad & a touch. Drawbacks? "One man's treasure is another man's trash. .etc. Some people on dirty bikes may ride like I do in a bumpy-but-hual-butting-turn. ---> on the pegs and shoving the bike down. . on the gas to keep the kick-up minimized from that rear, and the front from diving in a dip/hole . . .So, I LIKE all the help I can get from a useful 'MORE" tad of tire flat contact patch. (not a sharper edge). This is just the opposite positioning from your typical road racer dude. . . so, drawback from a "pointier" tire lay ?? NAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Been on my crashed butt enough to know where some help comes from.
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Old 04-06-2012, 05:12 PM   #62519
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Question for those of you familiar with the Ricor Intimidators (this discussion doesn’t really involve the Gold Valves). I have a 2006 DR650 with the Intimidators up front and the Cogent rear shock, with around 12k miles. Back around 6-7k miles when I was on the middle of the Great Divide Ride, I noticed that my forks did not seem as smooth and plush in their sliding action. A few months ago I serviced the fork with new seals and 5wt Maxima fork oil (as recommended by Ricor) thinking it might help. No luck. Over the last few days I have been playing around A LOT with fork alignment, attempting to get the forks at the same height in the triple clamps, keeping the triple bolt clams just snug for the fitup. I snugged the axle bolt down while trying all sorts of combinations of keeping the spacer, speed gear, and brake caliper off the bike so the right leg can properly align to be parallel with the left leg. No luck.

Basically, what I am feeling is a binding/stiction sensation as I compress the fork legs slowly. If I push down hard and fast, it seems to rebound like it is supposed to, at least on the initial quick motion up. But if I push down slowly, I have to pull up on the bars a little to get the bike to rise back up to the normal ride height. It is just enough stiction/binding for me to be paranoid, but not enough that would indicate a very large issue. I don’t seem to notice it much while riding, but I do notice that under hard braking my front fender tip will buzz the D606 knobs sometimes (especially after riding the Divide Ride with two tubes in my fender back, with the fender flopping around). Not sure if the fender has distorted/bent some, or if I am really just having bad dive, which the Ricor’s are not supposed to do.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.
Mysterious for sure. The inventor/owner of Ricor has posted on this thread ... and other ADV threads over the last couple years. For a while he was offering a "deal" for DR riders.

I'd bet he has a thread in the Vendors forum ... why not find him and ping some questions? Also (back a couple years) are lots of posts in this thread comparing Ricor with Race Tech emulators. Lots of back and forth. No idea how to find it those posts. Maybe the Index thread would have something more specific to the DR650?

Stiction issue ... could it be a bent fork tube? I know Jack about Intiminators ... do you have to modify the damper rods when installing? With emulators you drill holes. This really works on the Race Tech product and yet you can still do lots of fine tuning using : Oil weight, Oil height, Pre Load, plus Race Tech give you 3 different springs for the emulators. I've done a couple bikes using them ... love 'em!

Good luck, I know there are a few guys here who are running Ricor's, not sure if they are still around. Lots of the core group on this thread are gone.

Good luck.
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Old 04-06-2012, 05:30 PM   #62520
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. Or if he's really broke, he can just file down the shims that are in the bike.
I would like to see that! Valve shims rockwell between C55- 65! It would be like trying to file a flat piece of glass!

You would wear out the file before you could get .0005" off the shim. Trust me- the $$ per shim will be cheap when you try that trick.
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