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Old 06-15-2012, 03:31 PM   #65926
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What's wrong w the T63 up front?
Can't get them to bite in gravel. OK in sand and on sealed roads, but not a gravel tyre for me compared to the others mentioned. Th is is for the front only, I don't mind the rears, and as ever, IMHO and YMMV

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Old 06-15-2012, 03:39 PM   #65927
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If you can afford a KTM, don't bother with the DR.

Heresy, I know, but I don't think you will be all that happy with the DR no matter what you do to it with suspension, tires, engine mods and so on. I think you are expecting, or hoping for, something you will not get.

If you start with a KTM, Husky, or Husaberg, you will be happier and it probably won't cost more than you would put into a DR trying to improve it. Now, after a year or so riding and maintaining a KTM, Husky, or 'Berg you may come to appreciate a DR much more for its simple reliability and very low cost of maintenance as well as the many ways it can be modified for personal preference.
Dunno about that

A guy had a play on my DR 650 after getting off his KTM 640 Adv the other week and is now spoilt too, he sent me an email and included the following words"I shouldn't have ridden your bike as now it's my baseline comparison and it's now almost impossible to throw a leg over my 640".

The DR suspension can be improved by replacing it. I have a 650 Berg with which I have also put a lot of effort into, setting it up to suit me, and as much as I love it, its not an adventure, or dual sport, bike.

My DR will never be suited to single track, or really gnarly trails, but for anything less, its great. Its killer is ultimately weight. But then its lighter than lots of ADV bikes too.

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Old 06-15-2012, 04:15 PM   #65928
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I recently picked up a 2002 DR650 that I have been farkeling (is that even a word?). TM40 carb, DG exhaust, airbox mod, twinair filter, Acerbis handguards, ProTaper bars, bash plate, case armor, pannier rack, DR250 taillight, Yamaha Raptor petcock....

Now I came to tires and cannot find heavy duty or Ultra heavy duty tubes for the 17" rear....what gives? Yet another reason to swap to an 18" rear I guess. Since using them on my other bikes I have not had 1 flat!

Anyone know where I can find them?

My only other dislike, is this bike is not big enough to trip the traffic signal sensors.

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IRC HD tubes are available in 17" and they are natural rubber. But 18" will work also. I think my last tubes were front cheap cycle parts...

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Old 06-15-2012, 04:50 PM   #65929
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For you, me, and others who are coming from a real dirt bike background, the understanding of the comments must be taken in context. The context being that all big bore dual sport bikes are seriously different in all aspects from a pure dirt bike.
Thank you so much for this confirmation that I am not a complete basket case!

I kept reading all these glowing reports on the off-road capabilities of the DR, and was thinking to myself "what's wrong with me?"

Had been involved too long with off-road riding, that's what's wrong with me.

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If you will be on pavement only a small part of the time there are several highly regarded knobbies that work well on the heavy DR. If you will be on pavement most of the time you may find, as many of us do, that running a knobbie on the front and a more street oriented tire on the rear works real well.
Therein lies the problem: all the worthy trails are 200 miles away; do I really want to take a KTM to a 4-hour drone through highways before getting to the good parts of the ride? That's why I got the DR, I thought it would handle the street portions well, and the dirt sections respectably.

Of course now I'm thinkg of how objectionable can the KTM be on the street?

When I first started riding (late '80s) I would take my (street legal) XR or IT on the road without any concerns, but the trails back then were only an hour away. Nowadays I don't enjoy the long asphalt drone even on the DR, so how is a dirt-specific machine going to feel on the same roads?

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Heresy, I know, but I don't think you will be all that happy with the DR no matter what you do to it with suspension, tires, engine mods and so on. I think you are expecting, or hoping for, something you will not get.
I was afraid you were going to say that, but at least now I know.

I'll give the DR the benefit of the doubt and keep it through the summer (after all, I don't feel like wrenching a new bike during prime riding season); if it doesn't work out, then I'll try something new in the fall.

Thanks for all the help and honest assessment!
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Old 06-15-2012, 05:01 PM   #65930
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Dr 650?

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Dunno about that

A guy had a play on my DR 650 after getting off his KTM 640 Adv the other week and is now spoilt too, he sent me an email and included the following words"I shouldn't have ridden your bike as now it's my baseline comparison and it's now almost impossible to throw a leg over my 640".

The DR suspension can be improved by replacing it. I have a 650 Berg with which I have also put a lot of effort into, setting it up to suit me, and as much as I love it, its not an adventure, or dual sport, bike.

My DR will never be suited to single track, or really gnarly trails, but for anything less, its great. Its killer is ultimately weight. But then its lighter than lots of ADV bikes too.

Steve
I jumped from a 03 KTM 640 to the DR. The KTM is a bad ass bike! But i have no regrets with the DR at all. And freeway speeds are more comfortable then the KTM was. As far as maintenance I didn't see the difference as nothing broke on the KTM and the regular maintenance is about the same.
I keep having a problem with wanting the Tiger XC, Super Tenere for a long haul with wife.. But every time I go test ride those bikes I don't really feel that much difference then while riding my DR 650.
At first when i get to those big bikes I get the Bling effect and want one now as they are so soft on my eyes..
But after riding I am left to 8k more price plus I think i would feel guilty every time I ride The tiger or other bike as my angel on my shoulder would tell me your DR was all you really needed and 100 pounds plus lighter. Ya you cant pass someone aggressively when your going 80 MPH already in your way very well but hey if i am getting 55 miles to gallon and have no payments and i can afford to give my daughter a wedding in the near future and still have a Adventure bike that actually does everything rather well. I really don't have to have these bling bikes. Yes they would be awesome but at this point in my life it would really effect some serious financial decisions in the future.

So i do love my DR just got to keep my eyes off the twin babes around. Keep focused on I really do have a great bike. Rides smooth on the highway, great gas mileage, light, dirt worthy, air cooled, etc....

P.S. I am not ditching on the V twins or tripples at all.
Oh ya i have safari tank heavy springs and an assortment of other farkles. The safari Tank helped the front end be more planted while cruising at 80 from SLC to ST.Goerge a 485 mile stretch where the speed-limit becomes 75 miles an hour and everyone goes 85. Which gets crazy as everyone is in a hurry to go to Vagas to gamble but so far this bike rides great. I would not ever take the KTM to see my parents in St. Goerge I wouldn't of made it with my herniated disc.. On my DR I am Glad I got that beast of a tank. Before my front end was wobbly at high speeds. With these farkles the bike is very close to my KTM 640 in dirt and waaaay better on highway...

oh one last P.P.P.S--- I get annoyed while riding with my 990 Adventure friends laughing at me for not getting there type of bike, but i dont get annoyed by them laughing at that but at every stop in the backwoods they are sooo stressed out about their fuel and how to strategize the next 10 miles to find a fuel stop...That gets very old. I enjoy my ride and not once worry about fuel. Not once. he he he. Ya I cant spell stratagize.. Had 5 beers so far so i better stop rambling on. Just love my DR. does the Job. No flashes just gets you there very well. Thank you Suzuki....
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Old 06-15-2012, 05:12 PM   #65931
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Nothing mechanical to contribute, but I'm proud to report that when I first began reading this monstrosity of a thread, it had only 50,000 or so posts.

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Old 06-15-2012, 05:16 PM   #65932
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Nothing mechanical to contribute, but I'm proud to report that when I first began reading this monstrosity of a thread, it had only 50,000 or so posts.

Rick (feeling my age today) in Alabama

I hear ya'. When I started reading it I didn't have gray hair.

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Old 06-15-2012, 05:18 PM   #65933
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Thanks for the info...I will follow up with those and see what I can find.

NordieBoy- Im not sure if they are magnetic, its a wire loop under the asphalt. Illinois recently passed a law allowing motorcyclist to disobey the red traffic signal after a reasonable amount of time if the light hasn't cycled to green. Most sensors wont pick up anything smaller than a GoldWing in my area. My 1200GSA is hit or miss. The DR650 or TE510 won't set them off at all.

Love the DR for its simplicity. I don't worry about an antenna ring, final drive or fuel pump/injection failures.

Lower the pegs and some suspension work and Im done messing with it.

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Old 06-15-2012, 05:27 PM   #65934
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My all time favourite chain lube, in 40yrs of motorcycling !

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Old 06-15-2012, 05:32 PM   #65935
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Just curious, I see some riders lace-up a 19inch front for compromise over a 17.

What does the 19 steer like with a full knobby on? Does it grab ruts too much and pull on the handlebars?
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:51 PM   #65936
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nice dr650 still f/s?!?

i am truly amazed that no one has bought this yet - set up well, good price; wazzup? recently, some folks were complaining about there being few nice used dr's f/s?

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...9#post18921119

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Old 06-15-2012, 06:53 PM   #65937
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i am truly amazed that no one has bought this yet - set up well, good price; wazzup? recently, some folks were complaining about there being few nice used dr's f/s?

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...9#post18921119

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I agree. W/ all he's offering, it's a heck of a deal.

There's also a stock '98 sitting out there w/o much interest. Maybe folks are gearing up for Father's Day and not at the computer.

I bet interest picks up tomorrow............
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:57 PM   #65938
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I agree. W/ all he's offering, it's a heck of a deal.

There's also a stock '98 sitting out there w/o much interest. Maybe folks are gearing up for Father's Day and not at the computer.

I bet interest picks up tomorrow............
i dunno - that bike has been f/s for almost 2 weeks.

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Old 06-15-2012, 07:30 PM   #65939
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Yeah Doug...pretty incredible pricing. If it were close, I'd buy it just to have a buddy bike and the SUMO set up.
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:22 PM   #65940
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Dunno about that

A guy had a play on my DR 650 after getting off his KTM 640 Adv the other week and is now spoilt too, he sent me an email and included the following words"I shouldn't have ridden your bike as now it's my baseline comparison and it's now almost impossible to throw a leg over my 640".

The DR suspension can be improved by replacing it. I have a 650 Berg with which I have also put a lot of effort into, setting it up to suit me, and as much as I love it, its not an adventure, or dual sport, bike.

My DR will never be suited to single track, or really gnarly trails, but for anything less, its great. Its killer is ultimately weight. But then its lighter than lots of ADV bikes too.

Steve
To be blunt Steve, in my experience, most blokes that buy the 640 Katos never use them for anything more than a standard DR would do anyway.

I love turning up to a ride, like the DSMRA single track ones, and having guys on 250s start hanging shit on the DR owner. A few rides have finished with a crowd standing around my DR scratching their heads when they started in the morning not wanting to know me and making the usual comments about waiting for me at every corner.

It takes some commitment to turn a DR into a "trail bike". It can be done. It takes some commitment to ride it like one.

I read somewhere (by a KTM owner) that replacing the suspension on a DR is like putting lipstick on a pig. I like it. My pig has lipstick and is as hard to catch as a greased one.

Those that have never experienced a DR with the sort of suspension that comes standard on a 450 will continue to nay say. They get what they deserve. Nothing.

Those that have know you don't need to buy a KTM to find happiness.


I was horrified that Suzuki brought the RMX450 into Australia, and then didn't bother getting it ADR'd. What point is it if it can't be registered? Recreational Rego doesn't exist in every State. This is why I built the 650 the way I did. Suzuki wouldn't give me what I wanted, so I made my own out of all genuine Suzuki parts. That's the kicker. They could do it themselves for no extra tooling cost. A slight mod to the mainframe. It beggers belief they don't bring the old girl into the 19th century, let alone the current one.

I think half the fun of owning the DR is doing things that everyone says they can't do. There's a sense of smug satisfaction in handing some cashed up KTM riding young tattooed and pierced bloke his ass on single track. Take your helmet off and they look at the grey beard, the bald head, and the DR and they feel like shit. You can see the point where their ego pops.

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