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Old 07-11-2012, 05:58 PM   #67006
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I mounted up a new front tire the other day, Shinko 700. I think the tire might be out of round. There's a thin raised line on the sidewall that shows about 1/8" above the rim but part of on one point it was below the rim. Not wanting to pull the tire I deflated it and broke the bead, reinflated and got the same thing. Pulled the wheel off and was going to remove the tire to check it out when I noticed it's a tubeless tire. Damn, didn't see that when I ordered it from Motorcycle SS, the only indication on the description is the TL on the size chart, they don't even carry the tubeless ones. So the question is if out of round tires are common with Shinko? Can I put a tube in a tubeless tire?
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Sounds like the bead is not seating evenly round the rim - or it has a bad belt/cord. Lube and reseat a few times - sometimes it takes more psi than is recomended - I've gone up to almost 70psi on some tires. Yes you can use a tube in a tire marked tubless.
I agree that you aren't getting the tire seated. I've had to unseat, lube, air up, unseat, lube, air up; repeatedly on some tires. Recently I had to overinflate and bounce the wheel on the ground like I was trying to bend the rim. My theory: you want to bounce the wheel with the unseated section at the top. You want to push the tire toward the problem section, you aren't trying to push that part back down into the wheel.

There are thousands of riders running tubes in tires marked 'tubless'.

That thin raised line is there to tell you the tire isn't seated.
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Old 07-11-2012, 06:32 PM   #67007
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I went and tested the spark again, it is very intermittent and when it does spark, it is very weak yellow, not the normal bright blue. I would say it is only sparking about every 8-10 revolutions, sometimes it will go twice as long.

I ordered a new pick-up with next day delivery, guess I'll just enjoy the A/C for another day and hang out with our friends. At least it broke here. The next day delivery was more than the pick-up, but still way cheaper than a tow or hotel room!
Yeah, if the spark is intermittent then the pickup coil is a good place to start.
Don't overlook the spark plug caps. The resistors inside the caps can burn out and cause a similar problem.
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Old 07-11-2012, 06:36 PM   #67008
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Good to know, thank you! I will take a look at them as well.
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Old 07-11-2012, 06:39 PM   #67009
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Come on, guys. Surely one of you have a DR headlight cowling you're willing to part with at a reasonable price, right?

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Old 07-11-2012, 08:23 PM   #67010
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When I bought my DR, it had the Suzuki gel seat installed. I'm really uncomfortable on it for anything more than my morning commute.

Does anyone know if the seat pan for the gel seat is the same as the stock seat?

I'm interested in getting the seat concepts foam and cover kit. If I have to buy a stock seat to start with, I may be better off saving a little extra money and get a Corbin or Sargent.
I've tried searching for this but have come up empty.

Thanks for the help everyone. Here's a pic of my toy right now.
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:12 PM   #67011
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Got it. Had to inflate to around 50psi before it popped into place right. Only my 2nd tire mount, the other seated up fine. Thanks again.
I had the very same with a Shinko 705, but mine was that the tube, although it didn't look like it should, was getting under the bead. Glad you got yours through force, but when I checked for the fourth time and just wondered if pushing the tube from that raised area in a little more with tire irons would do anything, apparently it did.

Here I thought I had an out-of-round tire from Shinko.

Anyways, I used talc (actually baby powder this time) to lube the tube and to lube the beads.
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:15 PM   #67012
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The gel seat is built on the stock seat pan.
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:24 PM   #67013
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I agree that you aren't getting the tire seated. I've had to unseat, lube, air up, unseat, lube, air up; repeatedly on some tires. Recently I had to overinflate and bounce the wheel on the ground like I was trying to bend the rim. My theory: you want to bounce the wheel with the unseated section at the top. You want to push the tire toward the problem section, you aren't trying to push that part back down into the wheel.

There are thousands of riders running tubes in tires marked 'tubless'.

That thin raised line is there to tell you the tire isn't seated.

My front wouldn't seat until I slathered it in straight Dawn (dish soap).
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Old 07-11-2012, 10:00 PM   #67014
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Come on, guys. Surely one of you have a DR headlight cowling you're willing to part with at a reasonable price, right?


I have a cowl off a '99 in white (somewhere). It is slightly differently shaped than the newer ones and less attractive. You are welcome to it if I can find it.
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Old 07-11-2012, 10:46 PM   #67015
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When I bought my DR, it had the Suzuki gel seat installed. I'm really uncomfortable on it for anything more than my morning commute.

Does anyone know if the seat pan for the gel seat is the same as the stock seat?

I'm interested in getting the seat concepts foam and cover kit. If I have to buy a stock seat to start with, I may be better off saving a little extra money and get a Corbin or Sargent.
I've tried searching for this but have come up empty.

Thanks for the help everyone. Here's a pic of my toy right now.
Exactly what I did. Seat concepts was a great improvement over the treacherous gel like torture device.
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Old 07-11-2012, 10:58 PM   #67016
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got my ass handed to me by the 650. This was with stock gearing. Trail starts just under 8000ft I believe, then climbs to 10,200. The 10" of ground clearance didn't do any favors either. First thing Monday I ordered 14/46

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Old 07-11-2012, 11:14 PM   #67017
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got my ass handed to me by the 650. This was with stock gearing. Trail starts just under 8000ft I believe, then climbs to 10,200. The 10" of ground clearance didn't do any favors either. First thing Monday I ordered 14/46
Fun trail, but as great as the DR650 is, not the optium bike for this one I suspect.

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Old 07-11-2012, 11:18 PM   #67018
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Fun trail, but as great as the DR650 is, not the optium bike for this one I suspect.

Steve

"optimum" is one word I suppose. really, it's barely an "option"

I will try it again with new gearing and strip the luggage racks off.
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Old 07-11-2012, 11:30 PM   #67019
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"optimum" is one word I suppose. really, it's barely an "option"

I will try it again with new gearing and strip the luggage racks off.
I know others use and like 14/46 but it seems way too low to me. I use an effective 15/43 (allowing for my 18" rim) and if was doing this sort of terrain routinely on the DR reckon that 15/45, or 14/42 would be low enough. I do use a lot of clutch though. Much easier to control with the clutch than throttle, especially my big Berg, aka FE650 with 63 hp at knobs and 122 kgs wet and blinged.
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Old 07-11-2012, 11:42 PM   #67020
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wrong bike for application

TinkerinWstuff You need an orange 2T for that, save the DR for gravel roads and slabbin. Although i must give you respect for trying Id never try that on my DR
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