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Old 10-30-2012, 11:31 PM   #70591
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Quote "Of course, loading the bike up like a mule and trying to slog it through mud for a month isn't precisely...fun, but some of us are attracted to the idea. When I've been mired in muck with a 60-pound load of gear in the freezing sleet, with the pig of a DR wallowing all over, knowing that the vultures would get me before any rescuers, it seemed the very apex of madness and stupidity. The DR, at those times, seemed a primitive, heavy hunk of lead, the terrain downright menacing."end quote

Jeez I used to be in the infantry now I am in the Royal Navy and I can easily understand that. I dont know how many times I ended up with more the 60 + lbs on my back and I get told by some voice over the radio to get a leg on. Well thats great but I still have to move my body + the weight and deal with the weather and terrain sir !! . Terrain always makes a difference. Riding a bike with an extra 200 lbs can be done easily on a highway, It gets more difficult as the terrain changes. I hardly can imagine what his DR must of felt like in the loose slick mud. Lets see I took my brand new DR on a trail ride or as I found out later a TRIALS ride, everyone else was on true trials bike or MX'ers.l At the end Guys walked up and said "I dont know how you did it I could not of."
I give him Kudos for at least trying it. Retirement looms just around the corner for me I hope I have that sort of gumption. I'm thinking about a trip to Asia on a 250, maybe that way I can get parts in whatever country I am. with all that in mind I wil lbe able to pick it up and move it but I will not be riding though 1/4 of the crap that the Road of Bones / Siberia 'Stans could through at these guys


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Old 10-30-2012, 11:43 PM   #70592
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As someone who has done some overlanding on a DR650 (lived on the bike for 3 months up to Alaska and back, solo--far less intense and remote than the ride being discussed), Rick's load wasn't that enormous. Definitely intense for mud of that depth, but striking that balance between being self sufficient and packing light enough for a good ride is one of the big challenges of adv-type riding. Rick took the gamble bravely, and his dice came up snake eyes; good that he was not more severely injured, used his good judgment, and got to spend the rest of the summer riding his own way.

I elected, for example, to forego carrying tires and fork seals to keep my weight down...which was a fine thing for lighter packing, but when I blew a fork seal in the Wrangell-St. Elias wilderness, it wasn't so hot. And a ride through Russia and the 'stans multiplies the roughness of the terrain and the unavailability of parts or mechanical support.

Of course, loading the bike up like a mule and trying to slog it through mud for a month isn't precisely...fun, but some of us are attracted to the idea. When I've been mired in muck with a 60-pound load of gear in the freezing sleet, with the pig of a DR wallowing all over, knowing that the vultures would get me before any rescuers, it seemed the very apex of madness and stupidity. The DR, at those times, seemed a primitive, heavy hunk of lead, the terrain downright menacing.



But to see the vast plains of the tundra explode into rainbows, seemingly for me alone, a tiny bike and human lost in a vast landscape...or sipping whiskey by the glow of the almost-midnight sun, with my tent and bike beside me...or whooping with joy at tackling a tough (for me) trail successfully, and seeing a side of the mountain I'd never have glimpsed otherwise.

The DR, at those times, seemed a stalwart and redoubtable companion, and flying over the landscape aboard it seemed the most perfect thing in the world.



And a +1 on teamwork when riding in tough country, though it can be frustrating when the skill level/pain level/risk acceptance level of the riders are mismatched. But you've only got one another out there.

Mind you, I took one of those trips an earlier poster described this summer--trucked little bikes to Colorado, and did some great, rewarding day rides over the passes with a friend. Man, it was a luxury with such a light load! But when you want to go deep, you need a few things.
Neat luggage set up you have there. My wife and I just finished the TAT a few weeks ago and as you can imagine luggage placement is even more difficult 2up. We had Ortlieb soft panniers and a rear roll bag. I still would have liked to be lighter. The rear roll bag is weight that's high and way back.
That really affects the handling. When you look at Walters and Terry's bags they are mounted as low as possible.
I will be re-visiting our luggage set up when the bike gets back to NZ.
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Old 10-31-2012, 05:50 AM   #70593
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I guess you have been on "bigger" rides then? I would love to read the ride report. Or is sacasm the only thing you have to contribute?
Sure have, in fact last week rode all the way over to Starbucks and had a triple soy latte. Still working on the ride report!
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Old 10-31-2012, 08:40 AM   #70594
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Fine Bike, Very fine Bike

I ride the Wasatch front and up to the uintahs. Quite a altitude change. The DR doesn't miss a beat. I weigh 270 pound without gear. With gear and back pack full of water maybe 285 to 290. I ride with full saddlebags about 35 pounds together. A Giant loop Mojave bag = 25 pounds of stuff. A custom tool box on the left side = 15 pounds of stuff. And one big bag with tent and belongings = another 20 pounds or so.
Oh and one more thing a 120 pound daughter on the hardly any room seat behind me. She sits on the Mojave bag.

With all this weight this bike does not skip a beat. it amazes me. Going up to higher altitude i have no problems what so ever. Cruises fine at 80 MPHs up all the hills. The steeper ones on the higher altitudes It takes longer to get to 80 (i mean real steep 45 to 75 grade).

This bike is heavy compared to a 250 but light as hell compared to a 990 adventure, ST, BMW GS and any other two cylinder i believe.

Anyways when i go single track It does just fine. Got to have the right front tire and I personally think it is not that far behind my KTM 450sx in slow trail riding. For fast past single trail yes the KTM is way better. But i don't get the adventure feel going 35 - 55 on tight trails with the KTM, as I do with my DR as I don't go near that fast on the DR, I could try but would not be wise at all.. I actually see Moose, Deer, Elk and one black bear on the DR. The KTM I have never seen any animals. Kind of funny ahe? Ya the KTM is fun but man i am enjoying the DR a lot more. And it is soooo nice not to trailer a bike to ride. Damn nice.

Anyways only mods i have is stiffer suspension, Dynojet carb and supper-trap exhaust with open air box. Oh ya the Safari tank.
Using 15 tooth front CS. had the 14 but started doing allot of freeway with daughter and I like the easy cruzn. Change when i do trails back to 14.

Great Bike.
I love the new bikes coming out and i might get one someday but right now i really don't need one due to this dang DR. Every time i decide to sell it and go get a 15k to 20k bike i get the guiltiness as i know this damn DR does everything i really need. penny's on the dollar also. I can use the extra money i save on the dr to pay for hotels food and camping gear and gas for more trips with my daughter and not go into dept doing so.

ok now off my soapbox sorry everyone. Just incase someone is considering a new bike to do many types of riding this should be your purchase.
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Old 10-31-2012, 09:30 AM   #70595
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Old 10-31-2012, 10:41 AM   #70596
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I ride the Wasatch front and up to the uintahs. Quite a altitude change. The DR doesn't miss a beat. I weigh 270 pound without gear. With gear and back pack full of water maybe 285 to 290. I ride with full saddlebags about 35 pounds together. A Giant loop Mojave bag = 25 pounds of stuff. A custom tool box on the left side = 15 pounds of stuff. And one big bag with tent and belongings = another 20 pounds or so.
Oh and one more thing a 120 pound daughter on the hardly any room seat behind me. She sits on the Mojave bag.

With all this weight this bike does not skip a beat. it amazes me. Going up to higher altitude i have no problems what so ever. Cruises fine at 80 MPHs up all the hills. The steeper ones on the higher altitudes It takes longer to get to 80 (i mean real steep 45 to 75 grade).

This bike is heavy compared to a 250 but light as hell compared to a 990 adventure, ST, BMW GS and any other two cylinder i believe.

Anyways when i go single track It does just fine. Got to have the right front tire and I personally think it is not that far behind my KTM 450sx in slow trail riding. For fast past single trail yes the KTM is way better. But i don't get the adventure feel going 35 - 55 on tight trails with the KTM, as I do with my DR as I don't go near that fast on the DR, I could try but would not be wise at all.. I actually see Moose, Deer, Elk and one black bear on the DR. The KTM I have never seen any animals. Kind of funny ahe? Ya the KTM is fun but man i am enjoying the DR a lot more. And it is soooo nice not to trailer a bike to ride. Damn nice.

Anyways only mods i have is stiffer suspension, Dynojet carb and supper-trap exhaust with open air box. Oh ya the Safari tank.
Using 15 tooth front CS. had the 14 but started doing allot of freeway with daughter and I like the easy cruzn. Change when i do trails back to 14.

Great Bike.
I love the new bikes coming out and i might get one someday but right now i really don't need one due to this dang DR. Every time i decide to sell it and go get a 15k to 20k bike i get the guiltiness as i know this damn DR does everything i really need. penny's on the dollar also. I can use the extra money i save on the dr to pay for hotels food and camping gear and gas for more trips with my daughter and not go into dept doing so.

ok now off my soapbox sorry everyone. Just incase someone is considering a new bike to do many types of riding this should be your purchase.
Boulder

i couldn't agree more!! i have owned way more bikes than i can remember, including a ktm 950a, a 640 a, two 640e's (used to be my favorite dual sport), a dakar, a 1150gsa, a couple of 1100 gs's, a couple of gspd's, a r100gs, a transalp etc etc.

i acquired my dr in a trade recently and fully intended to sell it, but after a few rides, i am really suprised at how capable & comfortable it is. i have been through places it shouldn't go, but it just tractored through & up!! it was well set by the p.o. & works really well both on & off road.
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Old 10-31-2012, 10:47 AM   #70597
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Steering Bearings

I just ordered new steering bearings from ProCycle. Is there a link to a HOWTO on changing these out? I have the service manual, but wanted to ask here first. I'm not sure if I have the tools needed to do this, especially if it requires them to be pressed on or off.

Something weird is going on with my steering. I've posted about it here before but never figured it out. But it feels like there's an on-center "detent" that makes it very hard to actually turn the bars ever so slightly (whether countersteering at speed, or regular steering at low speeds) that makes it necessary to exaggerate. I've used four different sets of tires on the bike and it does it with all of them, so it's not the tires. So it comes down to either the steering bearings or maybe something in the forks. The detent, or "notch," is undetectable with the front wheel off the ground, but with weight on the front wheel, even at a standstill, it's easy to feel. My KLX250S doesn't do this and neither does my FZ1.

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Old 10-31-2012, 10:57 AM   #70598
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The pannier predicament

Hey DR lovers,

I have a pannier predicament. I currently have the 7.5" Happy Trail Teton panniers on my DR650SE. While I am happy with how they have performed thus far, I would like to get a little more storage space so I'm planning on updating to the 9" versions. As the bike sits right now, the right side pannier sticks out farther from center than the left side pannier due to the muffler. It seems some versions of the pannier racks compensate for this and some do not. Mine, unfortunately, do not. With that said, have any of you mounted different sized panniers to make them stick out equally from the center of the bike? For example) If I put the 9" box on the left side and the 7.5" box on the right side they'll stick out equally from the center of the bike. Or even the 10" on the left side and the 9" on the right side.

Have any of you done this? Do you guys think this would look funny? Does anyone have any experience with the (what seems like) humongous 10" pannier? Is it just too big?

Thanks guys!
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:01 AM   #70599
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i couldn't agree more!! i have owned way more bikes than i can remember, including a ktm 950a, a 640 a, two 640e's (used to be my favorite dual sport), a dakar, a 1150gsa, a couple of 1100 gs's, a couple of gspd's, a r100gs, a transalp etc etc.

i acquired my dr in a trade recently and fully intended to sell it, but after a few rides, i am really surprised at how capable & comfortable it is. i have been through places it shouldn't go, but it just tractor through & up!! it was well set by the p.o. & works really well both on & off road.
Wow that's good to know. I thought i was missing something with the big 1200's. The only thing i can think of is passing power after 80 and larger bike more room = more comfort. But usually if the traffic is at 80 I don't need to pass anyways. or really want to going that fast with my daughter on the back. i do understand it is nice to have sufficient power when needed. But so far the DR really gets going enough for me merging on the freeway. 65 by third gear easy.

I will post pics when I can of our last adventure to Wyoming.

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Old 10-31-2012, 11:24 AM   #70600
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I ride the Wasatch front and up to the uintahs. Quite a altitude change. The DR doesn't miss a beat. I weigh 270 pound without gear. With gear and back pack full of water maybe 285 to 290. I ride with full saddlebags about 35 pounds together. A Giant loop Mojave bag = 25 pounds of stuff. A custom tool box on the left side = 15 pounds of stuff. And one big bag with tent and belongings = another 20 pounds or so.
Oh and one more thing a 120 pound daughter on the hardly any room seat behind me. She sits on the Mojave bag.

With all this weight this bike does not skip a beat. it amazes me. Going up to higher altitude i have no problems what so ever. Cruises fine at 80 MPHs up all the hills. The steeper ones on the higher altitudes It takes longer to get to 80 (i mean real steep 45 to 75 grade).

This bike is heavy compared to a 250 but light as hell compared to a 990 adventure, ST, BMW GS and any other two cylinder i believe.

Anyways when i go single track It does just fine. Got to have the right front tire and I personally think it is not that far behind my KTM 450sx in slow trail riding. For fast past single trail yes the KTM is way better. But i don't get the adventure feel going 35 - 55 on tight trails with the KTM, as I do with my DR as I don't go near that fast on the DR, I could try but would not be wise at all.. I actually see Moose, Deer, Elk and one black bear on the DR. The KTM I have never seen any animals. Kind of funny ahe? Ya the KTM is fun but man i am enjoying the DR a lot more. And it is soooo nice not to trailer a bike to ride. Damn nice.

Anyways only mods i have is stiffer suspension, Dynojet carb and supper-trap exhaust with open air box. Oh ya the Safari tank.
Using 15 tooth front CS. had the 14 but started doing allot of freeway with daughter and I like the easy cruzn. Change when i do trails back to 14.

Great Bike.
I love the new bikes coming out and i might get one someday but right now i really don't need one due to this dang DR. Every time i decide to sell it and go get a 15k to 20k bike i get the guiltiness as i know this damn DR does everything i really need. penny's on the dollar also. I can use the extra money i save on the dr to pay for hotels food and camping gear and gas for more trips with my daughter and not go into dept doing so.

ok now off my soapbox sorry everyone. Just incase someone is considering a new bike to do many types of riding this should be your purchase.
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:39 AM   #70601
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I just ordered new steering bearings from ProCycle. Is there a link to a HOWTO on changing these out? I have the service manual, but wanted to ask here first. I'm not sure if I have the tools needed to do this, especially if it requires them to be pressed on or off.

Something weird is going on with my steering. I've posted about it here before but never figured it out. But it feels like there's an on-center "detent" that makes it very hard to actually turn the bars ever so slightly (whether countersteering at speed, or regular steering at low speeds) that makes it necessary to exaggerate. I've used four different sets of tires on the bike and it does it with all of them, so it's not the tires. So it comes down to either the steering bearings or maybe something in the forks. The detent, or "notch," is undetectable with the front wheel off the ground, but with weight on the front wheel, even at a standstill, it's easy to feel. My KLX250S doesn't do this and neither does my FZ1.

Rob


sounds like the bearings have given up the ghost. Dried up or theres a rusted one. the bearings are supposed to roll freely if they are dried out , or the grease is corrupted it would cause those issues. the reason you dont see it with the wheel in the air is there is no load on it. put a load on it and then the bearings really cominto play. sounds like you know what the issue is but just need a little hand holding. trouble shooting and being able to explain it to someone else goes along way to resolving issues and saving money. caause you have explained it happens under load , changed tires still happens remove load and the issue goes away . check the bearings replace or grease them . Jimbo
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:52 AM   #70602
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Hey DR lovers,

I have a pannier predicament. I currently have the 7.5" Happy Trail Teton panniers on my DR650SE. While I am happy with how they have performed thus far, I would like to get a little more storage space so I'm planning on updating to the 9" versions. As the bike sits right now, the right side pannier sticks out farther from center than the left side pannier due to the muffler. It seems some versions of the pannier racks compensate for this and some do not. Mine, unfortunately, do not. With that said, have any of you mounted different sized panniers to make them stick out equally from the center of the bike? For example) If I put the 9" box on the left side and the 7.5" box on the right side they'll stick out equally from the center of the bike. Or even the 10" on the left side and the 9" on the right side.

Have any of you done this? Do you guys think this would look funny? Does anyone have any experience with the (what seems like) humongous 10" pannier? Is it just too big?

Thanks guys!
Sam
I use expandable soft bags with Happy Trails SU racks (they are off center). I expand the one side and not the other. I try not to put more lbs in one side over the other. The only time I find it to be a problem is when the bags get bigger then the handle bars...when you just squeeze by a tree with the bars and forget about the bags it gets interesting!
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:53 AM   #70603
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Hey DR lovers,

I have a pannier predicament. I currently have the 7.5" Happy Trail Teton panniers on my DR650SE. While I am happy with how they have performed thus far, I would like to get a little more storage space so I'm planning on updating to the 9" versions. As the bike sits right now, the right side pannier sticks out farther from center than the left side pannier due to the muffler. It seems some versions of the pannier racks compensate for this and some do not. Mine, unfortunately, do not. With that said, have any of you mounted different sized panniers to make them stick out equally from the center of the bike? For example) If I put the 9" box on the left side and the 7.5" box on the right side they'll stick out equally from the center of the bike. Or even the 10" on the left side and the 9" on the right side.

Have any of you done this? Do you guys think this would look funny? Does anyone have any experience with the (what seems like) humongous 10" pannier? Is it just too big?

Thanks guys!
Sam
I don't think 9" left and 7.5" right would look as weird as you're thinking. You could probably do a really quick and easy "photoshop" (ie. MSPaint) just taking a picture of the 9" panniers from behind and pasting it over a picture of the 7.5" from behind. I don't personally think it looks overly odd with one side a touch wider than the other.
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:57 AM   #70604
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I went back in there and traced that wire from the engine up to the seat area where it seems like a malfunction junction where all the connectors are and found the connector with the single blue wire was connected. I then did a switchectomy on the side stand switch and it will now start with the stand down.

Still no joy on the neutral light, I guess I'll be digging in there this weekend.

Edit: Checked continuity on the blue wire from the NSU to ground and I get an open reading....should be a short when in neutral.
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:38 PM   #70605
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I don't think 9" left and 7.5" right would look as weird as you're thinking. You could probably do a really quick and easy "photoshop" (ie. MSPaint) just taking a picture of the 9" panniers from behind and pasting it over a picture of the 7.5" from behind. I don't personally think it looks overly odd with one side a touch wider than the other.
Thanks for you opinion and the good idea to use PS. I mostly wish I had the racks that compensated for the muffler so I could fit a spare fuel jug or tool case in the gap in between.

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I use expandable soft bags with Happy Trails SU racks (they are off center). I expand the one side and not the other. I try not to put more lbs in one side over the other. The only time I find it to be a problem is when the bags get bigger then the handle bars...when you just squeeze by a tree with the bars and forget about the bags it gets interesting!
HAHA! That reminds me of my dog when he tries to get through doorways with a big stick in his mouth. It's a site to see, let me tell you... :)
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