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Old 10-30-2012, 02:17 PM   #70591
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Don't plan on doing anything like the TAT then.
Bwahaaa Like the TAT is any big thing. Could do ,most of it in a car.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:18 PM   #70592
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Bwahaaa Like the TAT is any big thing. Could do ,most of it in a car.
I guess you have been on "bigger" rides then? I would love to read the ride report. Or is sacasm the only thing you have to contribute?

And yes, you could do most of it in a Jeep. You obviously missed my point about being on a bike for more then 3 days- You don't leave out with a fresh pair of unders and a camel back and expect to make it far or sleep in semi-comfort.

Rumlover- Living off the bike for more then a weekend isn't everyone's cup of tea...and I understand that. Doesn't make you an outcast! I can understand the guy wanting as much as he can for those worse case moment especially in the middle of Russia! But, sometimes you need to find another way around the mud bog when you are loaded down like a tanker!
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:55 PM   #70593
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That is a diode pack which is part of the side stand/neutral switch interlock system.
The diode pack is the part shown directly below R3 in the photo. It is marked 5823

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The symbol on the end of R3 is two diodes hooked back to back. Don't try running with it removed... it might fry something. My bike has one also.
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I agree, however the two diodes back to back with a capacitor in the middle could be a symbol or else the logo of the company that made the part.

If R3 was a surge suppressor or transorb, you would think that the other side would connect to the Blk/Wh ground wire.
Where the Red/Blk wire connects to is the $64 question atm.

R3 is not a diode, it has two spade terminals & measures 2200 ohms in both directions
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:33 PM   #70594
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Where the Red/Blk wire connects to is the $64k question atm.
I'll PM my addy, a money-order will be good.

More info:
The manual says that Canada, USA, Australia, Austria, and Switzerland don't use the R3 connector, mine is just hanging by the upper shock mount. I'm surprised smilin' jack has something in the R3 connector. On page 7-11, the wiring diagram says "For the Others". Sounds creepy.

R3 has a red/black and a green/blue wire and it looks to go straight to the NSU, shown below.

My point: most DRs will have a single blue wire on the NSU and nothing in the R3 connector. "The Others" will have something in the R3 and 3 wires at the NSU switch.

NordieBoy's photo IIRC.


This shows the NSU connector (blue wire), the empty R3 connector, and on the left of the frame rail is the R3 red/black-green/blue wire; also seen above.

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Old 10-30-2012, 05:37 PM   #70595
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I know I am already on thin ice here -- falling into the mostly weekend adventure only group.
But there are many types of "adventure" on a motorcycle and not all include month long journeys into far away and lonely places (BIG Kudos to those that pull it off). Many adventure riders (all over the ADV site) never see anything more than an occasional well maintained dirt road.

And while most all of us enjoy reading about the great adventures, it really doesn't appeal to some of us to embark on such epic rides.

So I think we (at least I ) get the point -- just don't see it as something I would enjoy.
Understood. Fact is, I wouldn't enjoy Colebatch's Sibirsky ride either at this point in my riding career. Why? I'm too old and out of shape.
"Man's got to know his limitations" (Dirty Harry).

And nothing wrong with Weekend Warrior Adventure riders ... just pointing out there are guys out there doing hairball stuff, 10,000 miles from home with no support. Takes a huge commitment to do such a ride.

I'm too out of shape and weak to pull off something that tough now.
IMHO, Colebatch and the other BMW rider did the wrong thing. They saw right away Rick was struggling. They should have hung back with him and helped.

On our rides (and I've been in a few were things were very tough and we had older riders of less ability along) first thing we do is have one or two STRONG riders ... the best ... hang back and stay with the backmarker to help him get through the tough sections, help choose lines ... and help PUSH, RIDE, PORTAGE OR CARRY his bike through!
This is H A R D work.

This does a couple things: 1. It lets the backmarker guy know that we CARE ... and aren't going to abandon him. 2. Keeps the group more or less together, albeit slows the pace way down. But better late than never.
3. Might convince the backmarker to lighten his load or take alternate routes in future.

Those boys should have stayed with Rick (behind him) and helped him out.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:21 PM   #70596
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I agree with everything you said.

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Found the link for the kill switch rebuild. DisTech had nice directions= post 117 in his DR rebuild page.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...=415263&page=8

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Old 10-30-2012, 08:09 PM   #70597
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I know I am already on thin ice here -- falling into the mostly weekend adventure only group.
But there are many types of "adventure" on a motorcycle and not all include month long journeys into far away and lonely places (BIG Kudos to those that pull it off). Many adventure riders (all over the ADV site) never see anything more than an occasional well maintained dirt road.

And while most all of us enjoy reading about the great adventures, it really doesn't appeal to some of us to embark on such epic rides.

So I think we (at least I ) get the point -- just don't see it as something I would enjoy.
Yep those are pretty much my sentiments exactly.......my wife loves to come along on camping trips (along with our 3 small dogs lol), there's no way it would be fun for either of us to load down a bike like that, then try and ride double through the kind of gnarly terrian that could potentially hurt us both, or strand us at the minimum. And to be honest I like when my wife comes along
Plus I also like having solo fun on my dirt bike without 200+lbs of stuff hanging off it. But I will do multi-day adventure trips to see new sites on my dual sport, I just stay in motels for the night and skip the pack mule effect in the dirt....I know its not everyones cup of tea, but it works for me

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While I agree the fellow shown was overloaded ... I believe you may be missing the point here. The site you are currently reading is called:
ADV Rider. It's about travel on a motorcycle, and the implication is more serious travel than a weekend doing local fire roads ... even though that's about all most here ever do.

But what a few like Walter Colebatch and a handful of other "real" adventure riders do is the real deal. The reason they are packed heavily is that they LIVE OFF their bikes for over a month at a time and ride thousands of miles during that time. All done in the middle of nowhere, no chase or support vehicles. Call 'em crazy ... but it's what they do.

Read Colebatch's earlier Sibirsky ride reports to gain insight into what riding Russia, Mongolia and the Road Of Bones is all about. Sure, a jeep would be easier and I could take my 92 year old mother in law along. Sibirsky don't do the Ewan & Charlie version of Adventure.

The art of traveling light is striking a balance. Not easy. The DR is heavy to begin with, adding too much gear means you'll pay in pain down the trail.






Well said, and sums up what it takes to travel on a bike for more than a weekend. Now multiply TAT trip requirements about double if considering a Sibirsky ride. Big kudos to these guys.
Thanks for the very reasonable response to my post...much appreciated
As I explained above, my adventure needs are slightly different than others, so for me the full on adventure bike month long or more trips don't really work. I HIGHLY respect ANYBODY willing to do them tho, I guess I just had a little trouble understanding where the fun was lol. You've really helped open my eyes tho, thanks.
I enjoy long distance running and biking, which a lot of folks also think is nuts, so I just need to accept other folks ideas of fun and congratulate them on their endeavours, even if I personally could never see myself enjoying it.
Again thanks for the very reasonable and open response
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:39 PM   #70598
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Many Thanks, ER70S-2, the cheque's in the mail. I will delve into this a bit deeper.
My bike is a 2005 Australian delivery.

I have had suspicions about the operation of the sidestand switch circuit / neutral switch everytime I look at the schematic diagram shown above,
which shows it linked to the CDI unit. I paid it no attention as I thought is may have been used on the early 96-98 models.

It appears there are a few different variations of the CDI unit wiring with regard to year of manufacture & country delivered.

Previously I believed the Side Stand Relay circuits only function was to cut out the +12volt supply to the CDI and the starter solenoid.

The second photo shows the 8 pole connector from the main loom to the CDI unit on my bike.
Only six wires are used.

Org/Wh = +12volt supply
Blk/Wh = neg ground
Org/Yell = connects the 100R resistor to ground when ignition switch is on
White/Blu = Output to ignition coil primary winding
Green/ Blu = To R3 and neutral switch ??
Black = ????

There is a line diagram in the manual the shows the black wire from the CDI connected to Blk/ White negative ground.
This is not the case on my bike. The wire appears to be open circuit.

Anyone know about the mysteries of this part of the circuit?

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Old 10-30-2012, 09:48 PM   #70599
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Before you get down too much on this guy, compare his panniers to the other guys. He's probably got about 16 L on a side with those bags, and the other bikes have 30 L or more on a side. (I think his are Dirtbagz, 15 L and I'm pretty sure the others are the bags that Colebatch helped develop and they're big.)

So he needs to have the tank panniers and the overstuffed duffel too make up some extra capacity.

You don't go 12,000 miles through backtrails in Russia and Siberia without carrying some stuff. Cold, rainy conditions for weeks on end: you'll need that tent and sleeping bag. The spare parts and tools you bring are the only ones you'll find- there's no riding out to the next town to find a motorcycle shop- there are no motorcycle shops. Need brake pads or a chain? I hope you brought 'em. Wear out a tire? You better have one with you or you better have shipped one on ahead. You won't find tires out there.

The trick is to be self sufficient without bringing too much, and it is tricky.

I give Rick full credit for his try. Too bad it didn't work out better for him, but that uncertainty of success is what made it worth trying.

.................shu

(all my opinion, of course )
I agree. When I saw the bike on the ground in the first picture, I just looked like a massive pile of stuff, but now it doesn't look that unreasonable for serious over-landing. Most serious (several thousand mile) overland trips that I have seen are loaded up like this. Someday, I will be joining the ranks of the pack mules. And one of the purposes of a loaded down trip like this is the challenge. The challenge of living off the bike for an extended time. The challenge of making it through all the obstacles (hopefully minimal mud). The challenge of being self sufficient. The fun part isn't shooting around at warp speed, but at accomplishing a difficult task and seeing the world that you are driving through. Sometimes it sucks at the time. But recalling the memories is always great!
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Old 10-30-2012, 10:14 PM   #70600
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Rick got hurt. There's something wrong with his hip. That may not have anything to do with his choice of kit or even his preparedeness for the trip in terms of skill. It's just chance. Waste of time to go into it here.
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Old 10-30-2012, 10:19 PM   #70601
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Old 10-30-2012, 11:21 PM   #70602
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As someone who has done some overlanding on a DR650 (lived on the bike for 3 months up to Alaska and back, solo--far less intense and remote than the ride being discussed), Rick's load wasn't that enormous. Definitely intense for mud of that depth, but striking that balance between being self sufficient and packing light enough for a good ride is one of the big challenges of adv-type riding. Rick took the gamble bravely, and his dice came up snake eyes; good that he was not more severely injured, used his good judgment, and got to spend the rest of the summer riding his own way.

I elected, for example, to forego carrying tires and fork seals to keep my weight down...which was a fine thing for lighter packing, but when I blew a fork seal in the Wrangell-St. Elias wilderness, it wasn't so hot. And a ride through Russia and the 'stans multiplies the roughness of the terrain and the unavailability of parts or mechanical support.

Of course, loading the bike up like a mule and trying to slog it through mud for a month isn't precisely...fun, but some of us are attracted to the idea. When I've been mired in muck with a 60-pound load of gear in the freezing sleet, with the pig of a DR wallowing all over, knowing that the vultures would get me before any rescuers, it seemed the very apex of madness and stupidity. The DR, at those times, seemed a primitive, heavy hunk of lead, the terrain downright menacing.



But to see the vast plains of the tundra explode into rainbows, seemingly for me alone, a tiny bike and human lost in a vast landscape...or sipping whiskey by the glow of the almost-midnight sun, with my tent and bike beside me...or whooping with joy at tackling a tough (for me) trail successfully, and seeing a side of the mountain I'd never have glimpsed otherwise.

The DR, at those times, seemed a stalwart and redoubtable companion, and flying over the landscape aboard it seemed the most perfect thing in the world.



And a +1 on teamwork when riding in tough country, though it can be frustrating when the skill level/pain level/risk acceptance level of the riders are mismatched. But you've only got one another out there.

Mind you, I took one of those trips an earlier poster described this summer--trucked little bikes to Colorado, and did some great, rewarding day rides over the passes with a friend. Man, it was a luxury with such a light load! But when you want to go deep, you need a few things.
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Old 10-30-2012, 11:26 PM   #70603
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Thanks again, ER70S-2, I've been digging around and it looks like my bike may have been wired as per the "Others" wiring diagram, as you mentioned.
This shows the black wire from the CDI connected to the switch on the carb to retard the ignition at full throttle.
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Old 10-30-2012, 11:36 PM   #70604
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Bwahaaa Like the TAT is any big thing. Could do ,most of it in a car.
Have you ridden the TAT ?
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:15 AM   #70605
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Org/Wh = +12volt supply
Blk/Wh = neg ground
Org/Yell = connects the 100R resistor to ground when ignition switch is on
White/Blu = Output to ignition coil primary winding
Green/ Blu = To R3 and neutral switch ??
Black = ????

There is a line diagram in the manual the shows the black wire from the CDI connected to Blk/ White negative ground.
This is not the case on my bike. The wire appears to be open circuit.

Anyone know about the mysteries of this part of the circuit?
My plug has the same 6 wires you do.

Looks like you're one of "The Others".
So it looks like 'black' goes to the throttle switch which lives on the right side of the carb, where the brass tube is in this photo (couldn't find one with the switch). The diagram looks like there should be two wires there, not a single wire looking for a ground in the carb.

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