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Old 11-10-2012, 12:34 AM   #70876
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The main advantage is you can repair a simple puncture with a plug. But to be prepared for a damaged rim or tire damage that won't hold a plug you would really want a tube as backup.
What I'm wondering is how you can tighten loose spokes as they develop if you seal the nipple? It seems like as soon as you turn the nipple to tighten up the spokes you'll break the seal...then I guess you pull the tire and go back in and reseal?
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:59 AM   #70877
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The main advantage is you can repair a simple puncture with a plug. But to be prepared for a damaged rim or tire damage that won't hold a plug you would really want a tube as backup.
Do road bike riders carry a tube for their tubeless wheels? Of course not. Why would one carry a tube for a tubeless DR then? I never do. I hardly ever get flats to begin with, so what is the probability that one gets a flat that cannot be repaired with a plug?
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:51 AM   #70878
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It's very easy; in my garage I pop the tyre bead onto the rim using just a bicycle pump.
you must be a fast pumper.do you practice much
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Old 11-10-2012, 02:14 AM   #70879
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Hello,

Going to Coyote Cyn in Anza Borrego Desert this weekend. Last time I went had stock gearing,( to Tall ), stock shock, and stock seat. Now 13 front, 8.3 rear shock, Lowering links and front lowered. Last time, Feb 2012 had brand new skid plate on. Fell 3 times going up and once down. Skid plate did its job, got hammered. Well now the bike is LOWER but much stronger spring. Been riding whole life but really never did much in the way of suspension except MX in early 70s. The ride is really fun with sand, water crossings, rocks and ginormous palm trees at top around an Oasis. Youtube it. Live at the beach and always stop at Palomar mountain on way, maybe snow as it rained most of the day and now. Have been riding my xt225 and tw200 so I feel like I'm on a fire breathing MONSTER. Can't wait.

Thanks again for all of you advice and knowledge.

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Hey, take photos of your trip and let us know how it goes--I LOVE Anza-Borrego. Haven't yet ridden a bike there (my gf and I suck at sand riding), but the place just blows my mind--the surreal sunrises, the long whips of thorny ocotillo, the convoluted canyons, moonrise over the palm oasis...such a great part of the world.
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Old 11-10-2012, 02:24 AM   #70880
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I really know very little about suspension and I figured a preset kit would do it for me since I was also price concious. I got the Procycle kits and dove in. There may be better answers out there but it worked for me. I just wanted something to absorb the type of riding I do combined with the burrito storage vault my legs carry around.

The more I learn about suspension, the higher it goes on my "first thing to do to a bike" list. The DR isn't a race bike but the improvement is drastic whatever you choose. I found the PC kits cost effective and enjoyed learning during the install. They have good tutorials on their site and were extremely helpful on the phone as was RaceTech when I had questions.

Finish up the process with a proper sag setting, too. I got lazy and got close, but not exact. I went to a suspension guy in my riding group who dialed the last bit in.....another drastic difference.

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Old 11-10-2012, 02:36 AM   #70881
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Rex - a couple of Anza-Borrego area zen pics for ya.







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Old 11-10-2012, 04:37 AM   #70882
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Do road bike riders carry a tube for their tubeless wheels? Of course not. Why would one carry a tube for a tubeless DR then? I never do. I hardly ever get flats to begin with, so what is the probability that one gets a flat that cannot be repaired with a plug?
Road riders don't need to worry too much about damaging their rims, damaging the rim seal area. But offroad riders do fairly often.
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:31 AM   #70883
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Front tubes can be used in rear so I will carry a front tube for that emergency.

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Just a question: If you get a flat out in the bush and the tubeless tire comes off the bead, how do you plan to get it back on?
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:37 AM   #70884
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You are correct.

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What I'm wondering is how you can tighten loose spokes as they develop if you seal the nipple? It seems like as soon as you turn the nipple to tighten up the spokes you'll break the seal...then I guess you pull the tire and go back in and reseal?
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:40 AM   #70885
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what do you set the MSC at in the sand? i found the steering damper great at high speed gravel roads but when I hit the sand it stuffed my riding and I ended up turning it off.
Felix, have you already dialed in your suspension?
I'm just getting acquainted with my DR and encountered some near spiritual high speed wobble on gravel. Definite wake up and get it right or slow down call. Made me think about a steering damper but then thinking more says get the spring rates and dampening right, front and rear, before fiddling with the steering. I haven't made the changes yet but will be installing heavier springs and emulators at the front and an Ohlins with heavier spring at rear. After working that out I'll evaluate need for steering damper. Dollar and overall performance return should be far greater following this sequence.
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:55 AM   #70886
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Sorry to say your wrong.

Have done about 50+ K miles of dirt in my life and not broken a rim. 300+K miles of road and did damage a rim on a interstate pothole in the states and one in Mexico 5 years ago on a paved road. When doing serious travel I always pack a tube along that will fit both wheels in case of emergency. There are two tool tubes mounted on my DR's bag racks. One has compressed air bottle the other has tube and tire irons in it. Also carry a small 12v compressor. Weight of these supplies off set by changing to a GSXR muffler.

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Do road bike riders carry a tube for their tubeless wheels? Of course not. Why would one carry a tube for a tubeless DR then? I never do. I hardly ever get flats to begin with, so what is the probability that one gets a flat that cannot be repaired with a plug?
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:19 AM   #70887
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will a 93 dr350 front wheel fit a dr650? I know the back is compatible.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:46 AM   #70888
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Wow those are great pix of Anza-Borrego! I never did get to see that area when I lived closeby. I didn't have my KLX250S at the time and also hadn't learned to ride in sand, so I was avoiding the place. Same for Ocotillo.

Now up here in Oregon it's not sand to worry about, it's MUD! :)

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Old 11-10-2012, 09:45 AM   #70889
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Just a question: If you get a flat out in the bush and the tubeless tire comes off the bead, how do you plan to get it back on?
Oh...
That seems to defeat the purpose doesn't it?
I thought the purpose was to avoid carrying tubes and to not need to remove tires for tube repair/insertion.
Good point. Solution? Easy ... just put a tube in there.
Most flats the bead will remain attached. Which means inserting a plug should do the trick. If you ride the tire FLAT for a long distance, the bead will probably let go, then if you can't re-seat it ... you'll have to break it down and install a tube. Not the end of the world.

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Old 11-10-2012, 09:48 AM   #70890
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Grifter here is how I did it. Used wire brush to clean nipple area, Dremel and drill power.

Two applications of Seal-All the one of Goop, same manufacturer. Available at most hardware stores.

Mounted tires and then did bathtub test for leaks, no leaks. First tried to mount some used TrackMaster tires designed to use tubes and could not get them to pop and seal bead. Got out my new Kenda Big Block and they popped right in place.

Waited a few days before checking air pressures again, all okay. Mounted wheels on bike and did test ride. All seems okay.

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Thanks for posting the details! Excellent. Can you tell me what tubeless valve you used? The guys at my local Car tire shop gave me one ... and I bought another at the Auto parts store. Had to reem out hole in rim to fit.
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