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Old 11-10-2012, 08:21 PM   #70876
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I ask instead, when will the manufacturers put tubeless wheels on their bikes?
They do - BMW, Yamaha (Tenere), and Trumph (I think). All spoked, tubeless wheels.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:44 PM   #70877
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They do - BMW, Yamaha (Tenere), and Trumph (I think). All spoked, tubeless wheels.
Here's the Yamaha Super Tenere tubeless front wheel.

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Old 11-10-2012, 09:42 PM   #70878
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Most times Slime won't help once you've got a flat ... especially so with a Tube.
I know if I'd had some Slime, I coulda just kept riding.

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Old 11-10-2012, 09:57 PM   #70879
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Eh? Shocking difference!

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So... for the cost-conscious... is the ProCycle Rear Shock Solution kit (basically a gold valve and a spring) going to be that much worse than sending the shock off to Cogent? Seems to me if you get the valving right it oughta be pretty darn good, yes? $279 vs $500-something is a pretty big difference. Especially since I need to do the rear shock on my KLX250S as well.

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You aren't comparing similar products there. The apple vs. orange situation.

I am looking at doing ths PC shock solution kit for my Street Tracker DR as it is much less money.
I have the full Cogent shock rebuild on my other DR.

When you send your shock to Rick at Cogent he rebuilds everything with new parts so that the only thing from the original shock is the aluminum body. And many of us pay the extra $$$ to have the body coated although that is not required. What you get back is a totally different shock that just looks like the original, sort of. And he does the work.

On the other hand, with the PC rebuild kit for $279 you get a new spring, a gold valve, and the oil. No new seal head, no new bottoming cushion, and still no rebound damping adjustment. You can get a new seal head from PC for $38, and a new bumper for $25 and still not have rebound adjustment, and YOU get to do the rebuild and have a shop fill it with nitrogen.

To compare with Cogent's shock you should be looking at the ProCycle "Shock Shaft Assembly" for $498.
That is very similar to a Cogent shock with all new parts, but YOU still get to do the rebuild.
So, looking at equals you see that a Cogent shock is less expensive, is ready to install, and is a completely new shock.

I am considering doing the less expensive rebuild myself for the fun of doing it.
My bottoming cushion is OK to reuse but I am going to add the seal head to the package since I am sure it will be shot.
Still, the price is $279 +$38 = $317.
And I will still have to do the work, not have rebound adjustment, and have to get it gas charged.

Hmmmmm, maybe I will send this one to Rick at Cogent after all...
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:33 AM   #70880
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Thanks for the clarification. I did mine before PC had the rebound adjustment available. I don't know if it was PC or Racetech that offered it, but they'd do the rebuild for $100 a while back.
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Old 11-11-2012, 05:10 AM   #70881
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You aren't comparing similar products there. The apple vs. orange situation.

I am looking at doing ths PC shock solution kit for my Street Tracker DR as it is much less money.
I have the full Cogent shock rebuild on my other DR.

When you send your shock to Rick at Cogent he rebuilds everything with new parts so that the only thing from the original shock is the aluminum body. And many of us pay the extra $$$ to have the body coated although that is not required. What you get back is a totally different shock that just looks like the original, sort of. And he does the work.

On the other hand, with the PC rebuild kit for $279 you get a new spring, a gold valve, and the oil. No new seal head, no new bottoming cushion, and still no rebound damping adjustment. You can get a new seal head from PC for $38, and a new bumper for $25 and still not have rebound adjustment, and YOU get to do the rebuild and have a shop fill it with nitrogen.

To compare with Cogent's shock you should be looking at the ProCycle "Shock Shaft Assembly" for $498.
That is very similar to a Cogent shock with all new parts, but YOU still get to do the rebuild.
So, looking at equals you see that a Cogent shock is less expensive, is ready to install, and is a completely new shock.

I am considering doing the less expensive rebuild myself for the fun of doing it.
My bottoming cushion is OK to reuse but I am going to add the seal head to the package since I am sure it will be shot.
Still, the price is $279 +$38 = $317.
And I will still have to do the work, not have rebound adjustment, and have to get it gas charged.

Hmmmmm, maybe I will send this one to Rick at Cogent after all...
I just finished doing one of these and mine came with a new bottoming cushion. It wasn't all that much work either. Remove the shock which you will have to do either way. DIscharge the bladder, remove the spring, remove two clips, drain the oil and remove all the old parts. Clean it up, fill with oil and reinstall new parts. All together took me about 2 hours to do including removing the shock from the bike. I still have to get it charged but will get that done tomorrow.

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Old 11-11-2012, 07:16 AM   #70882
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When is "Tubliss" going to nake a system for 17 inch wheels!?!? *^%^*$#@&!
You can still go ahead and get the front Tubliss set up, Myself, most of my flats have been pinch flats up front with tubes. Since switching over to the Tubliss set up on my KTM 450 I've only had one flat in 3.5 years and I actually rode 70 miles at 60 MPH back home to fix it. Got a front setup I plan on putting on my DR when I change the tire.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:17 AM   #70883
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A friend bought a used KTM 400 with a Tubliss set up, front and rear. The problem with it, is that you have to air up every time you go riding. The 100 psi sealing ring leaks down after a day or so. Try finding a 100psi hose on an adventure camping ride. It's really for offroad competition IMO, to prevent tubes getting pinch flats in a race.

He took them off the bike in less than a month.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:32 AM   #70884
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Thanks for the info on the Cogent vs PC shock. I'll go with Cogent. I'm going to send him my fork tubes too and have him do the work to them as well. Figure if the bike is gonna be down for a few weeks, might as well have both ends done.

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Old 11-11-2012, 09:39 AM   #70885
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I just finished doing one of these and mine came with a new bottoming cushion. It wasn't all that much work either. Remove the shock which you will have to do either way. DIscharge the bladder, remove the spring, remove two clips, drain the oil and remove all the old parts. Clean it up, fill with oil and reinstall new parts. All together took me about 2 hours to do including removing the shock from the bike. I still have to get it charged but will get that done tomorrow.

That is good news.
Interesting that PC doesn't list the new cushion rubber as part of the "solution".
You reused your seal head I am guessing.
I certainly like the price.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:51 AM   #70886
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More shocking news

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Thanks for the info on the Cogent vs PC shock. I'll go with Cogent. I'm going to send him my fork tubes too and have him do the work to them as well. Figure if the bike is gonna be down for a few weeks, might as well have both ends done.

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I am sure you will be glad you did.
I am always trying to save money but sometimes (too often) I end up paying twice.
Once for my cheap fix and then again for the correct fix.

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Old 11-11-2012, 10:22 AM   #70887
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That is good news.
Interesting that PC doesn't list the new cushion rubber as part of the "solution".
You reused your seal head I am guessing.
I certainly like the price.
We don't include it because not everyone will need one. If the shock is only a couple years old or less the bumper and seal head are probably perfectly fine. Riders with older shocks can add the seal head and bumper if they need them.

The photo above is the shaft assembly. You can see the rebound adjustment knob at the bottom. It does come with a new bumper.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:46 AM   #70888
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To compare with Cogent's shock you should be looking at the ProCycle "Shock Shaft Assembly" for $498.
That is very similar to a Cogent shock with all new parts, but YOU still get to do the rebuild.
So, looking at equals you see that a Cogent shock is less expensive, is ready to install, and is a completely new shock.
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I thought the shaft shaft assy ($498) was complete and all that was needed was to add nitrogen, nothing to rebuild?
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:05 AM   #70889
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Eh? Wrong Again. Shocking, eh?

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We don't include it because not everyone will need one. If the shock is only a couple years old or less the bumper and seal head are probably perfectly fine. Riders with older shocks can add the seal head and bumper if they need them.

The photo above is the shaft assembly. You can see the rebound adjustment knob at the bottom. It does come with a new bumper.
Ah, my mistake.
I make several each day...

I thought mrprez was saying that he had bought your $279 "Shock Solution Kit".

I wondered why the bottom of his shock looked different. Duh!

He got your "Shock Shaft Assembly" ($498) so it is very similar to a Cogent shock.

Thanks for clarifying that.
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:14 AM   #70890
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Bluhduh Even more shocking!

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I thought the shaft shaft assy ($498) was complete and all that was needed was to add nitrogen, nothing to rebuild?
Direct from ProCycle, our favorite parts supplier:

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Shock Shaft Assembly with Rebound Adjustment

Replace the internal components in your shock with a completely updated design with adjustments for both compression and rebound damping.

The new shaft assembly has improved valving for both compressing and rebound, a thicker, stronger shaft, new seal head and bottoming bumper. Comes as a complete assembly ready to go into your shock body and includes your choice of rear spring (required). Other spring rates available by special order - call.
Unless I am wrong (again) you get all new INTERNALS but you have to take your shock apart and put it back together.

That is where mrprez helped out by saying it only took him 2 hours to do the job.

Now, back to juggling apples and oranges and bananas.
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