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Old 11-13-2012, 05:43 PM   #70981
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A better seat and a larger tank. I can see why they downsized the tank "trying to save weight". I know they would advertise with the empty weight but I would like the extra range. I mean the dollar cost for us to purchase a larger tank can get silly just to add a few liters more. The seat !!! Everyone has their own horror story of the stock seat, all of the top rated replacement seats use a wider seat base.I have the Suzi Gel seat and its lower but no better. WHY OH WHY cant they change these .
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:33 PM   #70982
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The CCM 644 used the DR650 engine, apparently.
Yep. Actually, it's the Freewind motor which is just like the DR650 except for the dual carbs, 2 intake ports and bigger valves.
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:35 PM   #70983
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Regarding fuel injection on these bikes, there was a fellow on YouTube that mounted up a FI kit to his DR650. The company he bought it from basically did these pre-made FI kits for bikes based on engine size. The one he got was for 500-800cc engines (if I remember correctly) and was selling for not much more than the pumper carb goes for.
Long thread on DRriders about the Ecotrons EFI module, which was developed with help from members there, and which is now a commercial product.
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:41 PM   #70984
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I have been through 2 battery replacements for my '96. about 3 years per.

When the battery goes bad, the bike cranks, but won't start. Then it goes dead. After a charge, it starts and seems fine. Then the next time I went to start it, usually at least a week later, same problem. I think a marginal battery, with just enough juice to turn the motor over, doesn't have enough extra to fire the sparkplugs. Just an opinion. If you can try someone elses battery, even a smaller one, you can probably prove it is the battery. If the battery is over 3 years old, it's probably the culprit.
Keep the bike on a battery tender when parked and you'll get 8+ years of quick dependable starting out of a battery. I have the pigtails installed on all 4 of my bikes, so its super easy to plug them in when parked. I regularly get 8-10 years out of a battery, and the bikes all fire up instantly all the time...cold, hot or anything in between....a fully charged battery makes a BIG difference, my bikes jump to life
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:09 PM   #70985
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Twin carb?
Yea, looks like you're right. Single carb on pre '96 DR650 too. I've only ever seen ONE pre 1996 DR650 on the road. It was a crazy friends bike from late 80's and it would never start with the kicker. A real PITA. I could have sworn he mentioned twin Carbs? It was fast ... when it ran!

I did see the Freewind when in the EU and can confirm they are twin Carb. Very cool little bike actually.

Someone mentioned CCM. I visited a multi-line dealer carrying CCM while in the UK. Brand new CCM's for sale ... and some really trick used ones too ... Cheap!

I believe some CCM's used a different motor? ... can't recall which? Rotax maybe? Anyway, cool bikes and you can still see them riding around England, but AFAIK, CCM is now closed. Valiant effort lads.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:18 PM   #70986
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Yea, looks like you're right. Single carb on pre '96 DR650 too. I've only ever seen ONE pre 1996 DR650 on the road. It was a crazy friends bike from late 80's and it would never start with the kicker. A real PITA. I could have sworn he mentioned twin Carbs? It was fast ... when it ran!

I did see the Freewind when in the EU and can confirm they are twin Carb. Very cool little bike actually.

Someone mentioned CCM. I visited a multi-line dealer carrying CCM while in the UK. Brand new CCM's for sale ... and some really trick used ones too ... Cheap!

I believe some CCM's used a different motor? ... can't recall which? Rotax maybe? Anyway, cool bikes and you can still see them riding around England, but AFAIK, CCM is now closed. Valiant effort lads.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:25 PM   #70987
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balancer chain

New to advrider, Need some opinions on a balancer chain making a whining noise. I just got my 91dr650 out of the shop and the had replaced the cam chain and clutch and a few other odds and ends. When i pick it up they tell me that the balancer chain was making some noise so they went ahead and checked it and said it had some wear and would probably need to be changed in the next 10,000 miles but it was still in spec and that they tightened it up. Now though its whining like it could be too tight or something, Im wondering that if i ride for awhile will just loosen up and be normal or should i look into taking it back or to another shop.

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Old 11-13-2012, 08:36 PM   #70988
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New to advrider, Need some opinions on a balancer chain making a whining noise. I just got my 91dr650 out of the shop and the had replaced the cam chain and clutch and a few other odds and ends. When i pick it up they tell me that the balancer chain was making some noise so they went ahead and checked it and said it had some wear and would probably need to be changed in the next 10,000 miles but it was still in spec and that they tightened it up. Now though its whining like it could be too tight or something, Im wondering that if i ride for awhile will just loosen up and be normal or should i look into taking it back or to another shop.

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You should really be asking in the Pre-96 DR thread. 96 and up don't have balancer chains.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:53 PM   #70989
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You should really be asking in the Pre-96 DR thread. 96 and up don't have balancer chains.
Noted, thanks.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:19 PM   #70990
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I have done the Suzuki option lowering and installed a low seat on mine . Still wish it was a inch or more lower. I'm generally traveling heavy loaded and need stable footing.

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No lowering links and slid forks yet?
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:49 PM   #70991
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So long as you don't mind paying $8K for it then.
I never buy new anyway. It's no cheaper to add it later. There are many that say to upgrade the suspension first before doing performance upgrades. I'd rather pay for a factory twin clicker than an aftermarket upgraded single clicker without enough adjustment. I'm pretty sure the DRZ 250's 41mm cartridge forks with compression and rebound damping adjusters would slip right into the DR's triple tree's. All Suzuki would have to do is valve and spring the forks for the DR. The same goes for the fully adjustable DRZ 250's rear shock too. Probably wouldn't require a major redesign of the bike to do it either.

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Old 11-14-2012, 12:10 AM   #70992
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Have thought about doing that but not for a few months.

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Old 11-14-2012, 12:30 AM   #70993
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Regarding fuel injection on these bikes, there was a fellow on YouTube that mounted up a FI kit to his DR650.
EDIT: here's the youtube page I was talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/user/RCThirty
Apparently, the company is called Ecotrons and it's a 400-800cc kit.
mxrob's video of his homebrew FI...
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:32 AM   #70994
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How low can you go????????

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I have done the Suzuki option lowering and installed a low seat on mine . Still wish it was a inch or more lower. I'm generally traveling heavy loaded and need stable footing.

TravelGuy
Hello,

Well a lot of people have given me advice and comments on me being vertically inept! Thanks, read them all!!
I am 5' 8 and 7/8" tall but my weight is PERFECT if I was 6'11'.
2009 dr with the factory lowering done and forks up 3/4". then lower gel seat. Bought Corbin off inmate but to tall-wide,
may or may not sell. Put 8.3 spring on as I am loaded, bike too. Bought 1" lowering links from ProCycle, no difference until lowered forks more at there request. 1-1/8" up now. Can sit flat footed, same as my tw200. Went on a 100 mile ride this weekend 40 dirt and felt great, except,Yes, it is very low for ROCKS. Other than watching out for pointed big rocks it is much better for me as knees are shot and can't stand up on pegs to long. Much, much better in traffic also. Rode down Ortega Hwy, SoCal, twisties and felt like I was on SM flying. Looks a little different as the IMS looks more like a Safari.
Will leave it like this but if going over rocks for long periods will probably raise forks some as it only takes a couple of minutes. Have a 13 tooth on the front and it did nice 2nd gear wheelies but lowered not so good.

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Old 11-14-2012, 03:10 AM   #70995
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The whole Econtrons FI thing started here
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=725795
MXrob had his FI microsquirt thing going already but also tried this system.
At this point I had hoped a true plug and play FI system would be available for the DR but alas it is not.

Matt at Ecotrons helped a ton but for some reason he's not heading to the last step and creating true PnP systems from his biz??? He did for the the Ninja 250 but that's it. Not sure 100% why as his kits are only for install/fabricator pros and thus this marginalizes his biz vrs selling a bolt on system and thus much wider acceptance.

The guys at DRriders have done a ton, but the momentum has also stalled their. It's sorta like Matt just said here ya go, this is what I have but figure it all out and then get back to me. Not really the way to bring a product to market...as it's not.

I'm bummed and will eventually buy someone elses FI 650 thumper (i'm convinced of the technology and still have hope for the 660 Tenere or maybe Suzuki will update or possibly Kawi or Honda). For now my BST carb is working well enough.

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Long thread on DRriders about the Ecotrons EFI module, which was developed with help from members there, and which is now a commercial product.
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