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Old 11-15-2012, 08:39 AM   #71071
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klr = adv, dr = trail ???
i'd say the DR is the #1 seller of a bike with a tag on it.
the crf250f is not street legal so why that even in the group?
no doubt suzuki just wants to keep making them as is, but eventually all the other mfg will pass them by with new models if they stick to this.
He's quoting Australian data, and I believe the little Honda is a legal bike there.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:45 AM   #71072
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I think the company's response was that Procycle and MXrob got the early prototype kits that were sent out so people could figure out how to make everything work with our bike.
fair enough. we do that with our early revision maps and THEN send back out final revisions too. since MXrob and PC are 2 of the main DR gurus, i'd be sending them the fully updated kits so they can install and review...and sell.

that still leaves a hole in current users who have bought and installed the finalized kits? where are they??? we send out many hundreds of comp maps each year. why? because reviews are the #1 way things sell these days.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:46 AM   #71073
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He's quoting Australian data, and I believe the little Honda is a legal bike there.
got it. thnx
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:10 AM   #71074
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Tools for Engine Rebuild

Hi,

I am getting ready to do a case replacement on a 99 model next week. Can someone tell me what special tools I am going to need? I believe I am going to need at a minimum a flywheel/clutch puller and the puller to separate the case halves.

For this that have done a complete tear-down and rebuild, what have you needed? FYI, not looking for shortcuts, I don't mind buying the tools I am going to need. Also, what glues and chemicals have you found to be useful?

Any info greatly appreciated, thanks!
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:13 AM   #71075
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that still leaves a hole in current users who have bought and installed the finalized kits? where are they??? we send out many hundreds of comp maps each year. why? because reviews are the #1 way things sell these days.
While my bike is my main form of transportation, I do have a car I can use while the bike is being worked on. Come tax season, I could see myself throwing some money towards this. If it really is ready to just bolt up and go with some maps updated, then the bike shouldn't be down for more than a few days anyways, right ?
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:48 AM   #71076
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I know what you're saying, Grifter, but I still don't think it is that out of date. Most 650's don't have the best suspension. Newer 650's are more powerful, but that's due to liquid cooling, higher RPMs, different cam profiles, oversized valves, high compression / premium fuel, etc.
If you take the motor out of the equation, what is a bike? A chassis, two wheels, suspension, seat, fuel tank, and handlebars. I don't think there have really been many substantial advances in bikes in quite a while. The underseat fuel tank is clever, but can't gravity feed our carb and makes for difficult tank size increases.

Weight-wise, the DR holds it's own in the class. Suspenders are budget, but can be nicely improved for a reasonable price.

Frankly, I'm terrified of a real DR update. Everything I love about the DR will likely be gone. For my target riding style, the DR is the best bike available.
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And (for me) improving the shortcomings is almost as fun and rewarding as riding it.
I fear an update as well. And I also agree ... simple upgrades make such a huge difference, really puts the DR UP a couple notches in over all capability.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:53 AM   #71077
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have you ever ridden a TM 400 Suzuki? what about a Bultaco? I have, I will still push my DR hard but i enjoy it
A friend owns a KLR 650 and he woulnd't take it 1/2 half the places I take my DR. If your truly not happy with it sell it and get something else , thats what I would do .



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Absolutely!

The fact that I consider the DR the worst bike I have ever owned (probably ridden too), does not mean that I have not enjoyed the trips I have taken with it. If one accepts its flaws and limitations, and simply treats it as a vehicle for exploring far away places and new locales, then the DR is as fine a machine as anything out there.

But if one is looking for a bike to connect with, to explore his and its limits, to feel one with the road and progress as a rider, then the DR fails miserably -- and, for me at least, no matter how many upgrades one carries out on the DR, it will still be a failure on that nebulous concept of being one with the bike.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:16 AM   #71078
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The fundamental flaw of the DR is its frame, which is uncontrollably flexible.

By "flexible" I mean large amplitude oscillation modes, and by "uncontrollable" I mean no targeted damping of said oscillations; that makes the DR frame a fundamentally flawed design -- the "fundamental" part being that there is no solution for it.

If you don't feel the flexes in the frame, or if they don't bother you, (or if you don't even know what I'm talking about), then more power to you: you can enjoy motorcycling on a cheap, and very reliable bike; this is my loss, because in order to enjoy biking I'll need to spend a lot more money and be content with a less reliable machine.
Could you be confusing "frame flex" with "fork flex"? The 43mm front forks on the DR650 can flex, most noticeably under hard braking. The simple fix is a fork brace and maybe a steering damper.

I'm sure there is some frame flex, but I doubt the 37 HP motor is going to get you into a situation where you'd notice much flex. Going with Super Moto front 17" wheel with stock forks will flex even more ... so up grades needed to run that set up.

No, the DR is not as quick as my former KTM's (Duke ll and Duke SM 640)
but overall its more fun and relaxing to ride ... not to mention it's pretty good off road and makes a very good ADV travel bike.

If the DR650 is the worst bike you've owned ... then what bike was the best? What other bikes do you own now? If you're not feeling "at one" with your DR then maybe you've got some set up problems?
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:42 AM   #71079
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Tubeless spoked rims

While waiting for my rear rim to be laced from Warp 9, I decided to convert my front to tubeless. My DR is a street bike, it hasnt seen off road since all the good spots around my area were marked illegal .

I used the Seal-All, goop method. To seal the rim lock holes, I made a patch with some JB weld, in the shape of a mushroom, and fitted it in the hole, let it cure, then seal-all and goop over it.

Some pics:






Finally got the bead on, with some soap and ratchet straps:





Hard to see, but this is water testing in the kitchen sink. no bubbles at all!



Last night it held 36 PSI for a few hours, and this morning i checked it and it was 34. Could be the gauge, maybe from checking so often. The temperture remained the same. I'll see later today, but overall, I'm very happy with the results.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:45 AM   #71080
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Hi,

I am getting ready to do a case replacement on a 99 model next week. Can someone tell me what special tools I am going to need? I believe I am going to need at a minimum a flywheel/clutch puller and the puller to separate the case halves.

For this that have done a complete tear-down and rebuild, what have you needed? FYI, not looking for shortcuts, I don't mind buying the tools I am going to need. Also, what glues and chemicals have you found to be useful?

Any info greatly appreciated, thanks!
This might help:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=772770
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:10 AM   #71081
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While waiting for my rear rim to be laced from Warp 9, I decided to convert my front to tubeless. My DR is a street bike, it hasnt seen off road since all the good spots around my area were marked illegal .

I used the Seal-All, goop method. To seal the rim lock holes, I made a patch with some JB weld, in the shape of a mushroom, and fitted it in the hole, let it cure, then seal-all and goop over it.

Some pics:






Finally got the bead on, with some soap and ratchet straps:





Hard to see, but this is water testing in the kitchen sink. no bubbles at all!



Last night it held 36 PSI for a few hours, and this morning i checked it and it was 34. Could be the gauge, maybe from checking so often. The temperture remained the same. I'll see later today, but overall, I'm very happy with the results.
I realize that this is too late for you but it might be of interest to someone reading your post.
Since you were lacing new rims on anyway you could probaly have laced on some "safety bead" rims that are designed to work with tubeless tires. You would still need to seal the rim though.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:21 AM   #71082
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I am thinking of a DR, have been for a few years. With out reading the whole tread, what are the best years to own and the worst years. I have heard something about 05 and down to stay away from because some have gear problems.

I love my KLR's, great bikes. I have owned a XR650L also, but never owned a DR650, much less even rode one.

I would like to switch mainly because of the simplisity of the DR650, air/oil cooled. Screw and lock nut valve adjustments.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:39 AM   #71083
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so i see that people say the Ecotrons kit is now truely a PnP yet
i still wonder why Procycle says they could not even get their bike to run right?
It sounds like they've fixed a lot of the physical fitment issues with the kit but if they say this:

"Note: for DR650, we are still optimizing the close loop fuel. This motor does not like 14.7 AFR in many cases."

then it's not really PnP yet. For most users on this forum, switching between different tuning maps to find the one that works for you should be a very simple process. Getting the tuners to make those maps optimized for the engine is the part that will be out of most people's comfort zone. And if you aren't able to run in closed loop then you aren't getting the benefits that will allow you to run at various altitudes and temperatures in a way that maximizes mpg and power.

I work for a tiny company that makes hardware for reflashing car computers and we also write software for tuners working on Subaru and Mitsubishi, but we very carefully stay away from the tuning. Too much customer support at
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:01 PM   #71084
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I am thinking of a DR, have been for a few years. With out reading the whole tread, what are the best years to own and the worst years. I have heard something about 05 and down to stay away from because some have gear problems.

I love my KLR's, great bikes. I have owned a XR650L also, but never owned a DR650, much less even rode one.

I would like to switch mainly because of the simplisity of the DR650, air/oil cooled. Screw and lock nut valve adjustments.

I have a 98, probably the "worst" year since I replaced the starter clutch. Older models have a greater potential for a leaky base gasket but has never been an issue on mine and I have wrung it pretty hardd. Seems a lot of people slop some sealer on that for an easy fix. The trans thing seems rare and to me not worth considering. Buy what looks well maintained and maybe with a few farkles but to me year isn't a big deal.
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:01 PM   #71085
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I am thinking of a DR, have been for a few years. With out reading the whole tread, what are the best years to own and the worst years. I have heard something about 05 and down to stay away from because some have gear problems.

I love my KLR's, great bikes. I have owned a XR650L also, but never owned a DR650, much less even rode one.

I would like to switch mainly because of the simplisity of the DR650, air/oil cooled. Screw and lock nut valve adjustments.
Do you not own the XR650L any more? From what I understand, those bikes are basically 1st cousins to the DR650, but with an 18" rear instead of 17" rear. I believe 2003 was the year they switched away from paper base gaskets. If possible, get one made after that year, or you'll be doing something about an oil leak down the line. If at all possible, find one that has an aftermarket seat and fuel tank on it. The stock fuel tank is a <100 mile tank, which is less than ideal, and the stock seat is almost universally despised. Other than that, it's hard to go wrong.
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