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Old 01-03-2013, 07:22 PM   #72451
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can you comment on the low vrs hi beam light spread?
adv grifter is only running the low.
do you ever use the hi and if so is there any up close light spread in addition to long distance light?

either of you guys have a relay in place too with this kit?
i have an eastern beaver relay and considering this kit.
how's long term evaluation/reliabilty going?

thnx
i am using a baja designs fairing/headlight, which means that the standard shielded bulb that would fit in the dr headlight can't be used. so, my experience w/the light spread won't be relevant to most. to be honest, it's not wery good, but it is so much better than a stock 50/55w halogen in that headlight, it's not even funny; both high and low beam. i did not use a relay, not sure why you would need one, reducing the woltage... my bike does not get ridden that much cuz my present job isn't conducive for commuting, but the light hasn't failed in a year.

but at this point, i am seriously considering installing true hid projector lighting. while not as expensive as one might think, it's still not cheap, and it's a definite project...

http://www.theretrofitsource.com/index.php

re: the 3000k lighting, while i have not seen anything other than pics on the web, i suspect it will be a little bit more yellow than even a stock halogen light; not sure i would like that. i am fine w/the4500k.

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Old 01-03-2013, 07:27 PM   #72452
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i've read their FAQ so why the 35W DDM kit vrs the 55w?
35 watts of HID is about 5 times as much light as a standard H4 halogen bulb. It's seriously a lot of light. A 55 watt HID is overkill, especially if you spend much time driving in traffic.
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:30 PM   #72453
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...reducing the woltage...
I think you mean vattage...
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:52 PM   #72454
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Alright, so I don't exactly know what everyone means when they're referring to this. Assuming the side of the tire facing up is "Side A," and the side facing the floor is "Side B," and I'm trying to spoon the tire on at the 12 o'clock position, am I using my knees to push side A into the dish, or am I reaching down with my hand to compress sides A and B into the dish?
I put my Motion Pro blue tire clip on the bottom side of the rim (holds the B side bead in the groove), put two small blocks of 2X4 lumber outboard of the blue clip to also help hold side B bead in the groove, then put my knees on the side A of the tire so that bead also is in the groove. The tire almost falls on the rim... with spoons of course. Quick and easy after reading and learning from advrider.

The Motion Pro bead breaker (big plastic chisel) works so well that it's used at home in the shop as well as the trail.

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Old 01-03-2013, 07:52 PM   #72455
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I think you mean vattage...
You've just had coffee haven't you
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:20 PM   #72456
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I think you mean vattage...
vattage & woltages...you guy are too technical for me.

thnx on the 35w vr 55w input.
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:27 PM   #72457
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vattage & woltages...you guy are too technical for me. .
You're velcome.
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:34 PM   #72458
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Took the DR for a quick run up my (gravel) road with the new bars - feels great, and the extra height makes it way more comfortable to ride standing.

It's about 40C here today (105F) so time to hunker down in the house again!
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:36 PM   #72459
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i've read their FAQ so why the 35W DDM kit vrs the 55w?
just to save 20W? obviously the 35w kit puts out a ton of light but will the 55w put out even more (if saving those 20w are not an issue) and not damage the DR housing? anyone here run the 55w kit?
Won't damage housing ... HID run cool! ... but might damage the eyeballs of on coming traffic!

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so you used only the low beam kit on the DR and that is more than enough light have the low option only?
http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/817...0#entry9193868
I installed the DDM Tuning HID on my Tiger over two years ago. I went 35 watt based on what others had recommended. Some claimed with the 55 watt (SUPER BRIGHT) that too many people flashed him on the highway, even with the beam adjusted down. The Tiger guys used the 55 Watt for the Hi beam bulb. (Tiger has TWO headlights)

When I got the 35 Watt for the Tiger I was pleased. But I DO plan to install
the 55 Watt for the High Beam light.

I think you could go with a single 55 watt on your DR but just make sure you aim the beam angle with you (and gear) on the bike. Also, some say it's SO BRIGHT, cops will U turn and come after you. It you get the DUAL filament HID then you can switch back and forth ... but you'll have more wires to run back and forth from battery.

Your choice. The plain old 35 Watt is roughly (to my eye) 3 times brighter than the standard 55 Watt H-4 bulb on the DR650. So big step up there.
55 Watt would be AWESOME on a dark, lonely road ... or riding the Desert at night.

And YES ... I was also thinking about saving juice on the DR when I picked the 35 Watt version. (my Tiger puts out about 450 Watts ... so no issues there) I have run my DR Battery dead on several occasions from running my Gerbing and grips on HI for too long at night. The 20 Watt saving does make a little difference ... no big deal.

Good luck!

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Old 01-03-2013, 09:11 PM   #72460
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................ It you get the DUAL filament HID then you can switch back and forth ... but you'll have more wires to run back and forth from battery.
They're not a dual filament bulb like we are used to. They are not a filament bulb at all in fact, but a bulb of gas that gets excited and glows brightly when it does. They dip by having a solenoid move the bulb along a rail so the focal point moves inside the lense of the light. If you look at an H4 bulb closely you'll see the 2 filaments in different places, so the dipping H4 HID attempts to mimick that.

Works fine and there isn't much extra wiring, and what there is is all at the headlight. It plugs into the standard H4 socket instead of the original bulb, and has a feed from the battery.

I got a car setup that is pretty much the same price as single bike ones and got some as yet unsued spares.

I just found this site that may assist:
http://www.yourcustomcar.com/hid-lights.html
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:27 PM   #72461
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Fellow DR riders,

This is my first post in this forum. I am part of a DR650 Facebook group and some of the guys in that group recommended I join this forum and post my question here; so here it goes!

I need your input. How many of you would be interested in a fuel injection kit for a DR650 if it were readily available? I know Ecotron has a "kit" but I'm not sure how developed it is. I hear that they kind of gave up on it.

I am a mechanical engineer and design/work on unmanned aircraft for a living and am experienced in integrating fuel injection systems on carbureted engines. The ECU system I have in mind would have altitude compensation and would use O2 feedback for fined tuned mixture quality.

Is this something of interest to proceed on? How much would someone be willing to pay for a complete product like this?



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Old 01-03-2013, 11:03 PM   #72462
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I know Ecotron has a "kit" but I'm not sure how developed it is. I hear that they kind of gave up on it.
No, they didn't give up on it, the kit is ready and is shipping; the history of it is well documented.

If you think you can provide a better EFI kit (either in quality, ease of installation, or price), then you have a good business opportunity.
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:09 PM   #72463
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No, they didn't give up on it, the kit is ready and is shipping; the history of it is well documented.

If you think you can provide a better EFI kit (either in quality, ease of installation, or price), then you have a good business opportunity.
Thanks for the feedback. I was misinformed then.
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:12 PM   #72464
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Fellow DR riders,

This is my first post in this forum. I am part of a DR650 Facebook group and some of the guys in that group recommended I join this forum and post my question here; so here it goes!

I need your input. How many of you would be interested in a fuel injection kit for a DR650 if it were readily available? I know Ecotron has a "kit" but I'm not sure how developed it is. I hear that they kind of gave up on it.

I am a mechanical engineer and design/work on unmanned aircraft for a living and am experienced in integrating fuel injection systems on carbureted engines. The ECU system I have in mind would have altitude compensation and would use O2 feedback for fined tuned mixture quality.

Is this something of interest to proceed on? How much would someone be willing to pay for a complete product like this?



Thanks,
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http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/761...ction-project/
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:16 PM   #72465
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No, they didn't give up on it, the kit is ready and is shipping; the history of it is well documented.

If you think you can provide a better EFI kit (either in quality, ease of installation, or price), then you have a good business opportunity.
for some reason, however, the kit was not 100% polished for PnP resale and ProCycle did not pick it up. for the same price as a pumper carb, we're not seeing people jump on that kit so something is up. it seems like it's 99% done and that 1% is the hardest and holding people back. maybe i'm wrong.

if it was my baby, i'd be actively on the boards pushing with 2nd level early adopter discounts (like how Ricor did that with Intiminators) and working the forums for interest and support. seems Ecotrons said here it is figure it out, i'll help some but fine tune my product for me. I think that is giving people pause. guys like Jeff @ Procycle release new products and are there everyday helping out with support online...that's the last 1%. there is a reason i'm ADV most every day...i'd love to say it's for all you fine gents, but it's to move Butler Maps forward.

maybe rawley83 can work with Matt on that last 1% and even be the rep. i'd like to see it at 100% as I started that rabbit hole.
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