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Old 01-04-2013, 07:03 AM   #72466
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Was looking at a DR 650 or a DRZ400 to put in the garage for some off road exploration on forest service roads, in north Georgia...I have a DR in my sites but want to make sure it's the one for my needs, and I have to wait a couple of months before pulling the trigger.
I would be riding like 60% streets to get to the trails, would there be a big weight difference between the two?

Is there significant difference in the two off road?
How about maintenance between the two?

I realize I'm bringing up, "a dead horse" here, so sorry, but just a couple of replies with the right information will work for me.

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depending on how tough the trails you plan to ride are and what kind of tar and how much you have to ride (miles) to get there.

DRZ400 is gonna be better as the terrain get's tougher, but the DR will be nicer while getting there on tar. Gnarly single track will tire you out on a DR650. (that's what my KTM400 is for). The DR650 is the bike you want if it's gonna be dirt roads and jeep roads. Easier trails are fine too, but rock gardens and deep mud are just no fun. (not much better on a DRZ either) The weight difference is about 50 lbs IIRC.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:31 AM   #72467
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:42 AM   #72468
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depending on how tough the trails you plan to ride are and what kind of tar and how much you have to ride (miles) to get there.

DRZ400 is gonna be better as the terrain get's tougher, but the DR will be nicer while getting there on tar. Gnarly single track will tire you out on a DR650. (that's what my KTM400 is for). The DR650 is the bike you want if it's gonna be dirt roads and jeep roads. Easier trails are fine too, but rock gardens and deep mud are just no fun. (not much better on a DRZ either) The weight difference is about 50 lbs IIRC.
So, it's possible to set up the suspension on the DR to handle off road applications (like a DRZ)? I guess really stiff. Are there serious springs or other aftermarket products (I'm sure tons) that handle suspension issues? Can you recommend any good websites for these products? Thanks
I'd like to get the rear suspension as high as possible if that makes sense, the most clearance possible between tire and fender...
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:56 AM   #72469
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So, it's possible to set up the suspension on the DR to handle off road applications (like a DRZ)? I guess really stiff. Are there serious springs or other aftermarket products (I'm sure tons) that handle suspension issues? Can you recommend any good websites for these products? Thanks
I'd like to get the rear suspension as high as possible if that makes sense, the most clearance possible between tire and fender...
Contact Rick (NCRick) @ Cogent Dynamics. (a RaceTech shop that specializes in DR650's)

I have his modification in the rear of my DR and RaceTech Emulators and heavy springs in front. I have the stock spring in the rear still.

Just jacking up the bike with heavier springs won't make it good. You need to change some internals. (if you want to push hard offroad) My suspension is now very good. Not KTM good, but very good.( I had work done to the KTM & heavier springs also)
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:22 AM   #72470
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mmm, i'm still on the decision fence as to get the lo 4500K kit or the lo/hi 4500k kit. sounds like 35w is the way to go because of light output and extra juice gained for other items.

currently i'm running those IPF fatboy bulbs and a relay it's better than stock but not ideal at night. adding PC brackets and LED aux lights is an option but more $ than this kit and more crap hanging off the bike waiting to be whacked.

what i find during night riding is i like the low beam light spread most all the time anyway except for maybe faster cornering and seeing around corners with hi beams. if the lo kit has 5x the light as H4 then i'm leaning towards that as ideal unless some is using a lo/hi and gives a compelling reason why having the hi option is essential. i'm not a big night rider to start with and like to ride conservatively anyway when the sun goes down.
I don't know about where you are, but in New York State, I need the high beam to pass the yearly safety inspection. You could just replace the bulb for that day, but why have to do more work than you need.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:36 AM   #72471
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Tiger - I usually offer the following for the "is the DR off road capable?" Suspension upgrades from Procycle, pumper carb, smaller CS sprocket, engine protection, idiot rider.

Both bikes are great choices as soon as you dial in your absolute priorities. I did a 290 mile ride last Friday, about 60 miles of it dirt. Some DRZ riders will say their bikes are too "buzzy" on the slab portions, but with anything, that's personal preference.







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Old 01-04-2013, 08:47 AM   #72472
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Roger than Trophy Hunter, great video by the way! That was some rocky riding at points.
I suppose I'll be looking at both bikes, then factor in price, condition, and mileage, and seller location...then pull the trigger when it's time.
I'll keep these suspension upgrades tips because I'm sure the bike will need upgrades.
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Old 01-04-2013, 11:12 AM   #72473
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depending on how tough the trails you plan to ride are and what kind of tar and how much you have to ride (miles) to get there.

DRZ400 is gonna be better as the terrain get's tougher, but the DR will be nicer while getting there on tar. Gnarly single track will tire you out on a DR650. (that's what my KTM400 is for). The DR650 is the bike you want if it's gonna be dirt roads and jeep roads. Easier trails are fine too, but rock gardens and deep mud are just no fun. (not much better on a DRZ either) The weight difference is about 50 lbs IIRC.
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That's a very accurate assessment between the DR and DRZ. I owned the "E" model DRZ ... and it's MUCH better than the street legal "S" model off road. If you can find a "legal" E model, go that way if more knarly trails are on the agenda. (It's lighter, different motor, better suspension)

Neither even come close to the DR everyplace else. Also ... the DR650 is very nice to load up with cargo. The DRZ's? It's a PItA ... and your load has to be small. On highway even the S street model DRZ is spinning hard at 70 mph. The DR is loafing at 70 mph.

But as said above ... on more challenging trails the DRZ trumps the DR.

Maintenance wise both bikes are very good, not hard to maintain ... with a slight advantage to the DR650 with it's very simple valve adjustments.
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Old 01-04-2013, 11:23 AM   #72474
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PLUS ONE! +++
That's a very accurate assessment between the DR and DRZ. I owned the "E" model DRZ ... and it's MUCH better than the street legal "S" model off road. If you can find a "legal" E model, go that way if more knarly trails are on the agenda. (It's lighter, different motor, better suspension)

Neither even come close to the DR everyplace else. Also ... the DR650 is very nice to load up with cargo. The DRZ's? It's a PItA ... and your load has to be small. On highway even the S street model DRZ is spinning hard at 70 mph. The DR is loafing at 70 mph.

But as said above ... on more challenging trails the DRZ trumps the DR.

Maintenance wise both bikes are very good, not hard to maintain ... with a slight advantage to the DR650 with it's very simple valve adjustments.

Thanks for the info, I'm really having trouble deciding...I really want a light bike to go off road and get a little aggressive with, I have a 955 Tiger for long trips and to pack up and go....so my wants lean me toward the DRZ, as long as it's not underpowered. I will also be riding with a few KTM guys (which doesn't mean much to me) and they have some very light machines...So, thank you guys for the information, I do believe these are great bikes and an even better value, so price, condition, and mileage will be important when it's time to buy.
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:16 PM   #72475
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Thanks for the info, I'm really having trouble deciding...I really want a light bike to go off road and get a little aggressive with, I have a 955 Tiger for long trips and to pack up and go....so my wants lean me toward the DRZ, as long as it's not underpowered. I will also be riding with a few KTM guys (which doesn't mean much to me) and they have some very light machines...So, thank you guys for the information, I do believe these are great bikes and an even better value, so price, condition, and mileage will be important when it's time to buy.
If you're riding with the KTM guys ... then I must say ... you should be on a KTM too. KTM four strokes of the last four or five years are a WHOLE generation ahead of the DRZ when it comes to competence off road. The Suzuki wins in the maintenance and reliability dept. but if you want to explore off road ... the KTM is far ahead.

If you have the budget ... find a nice used KTM 250 or 450 EXC. Also look around for a nice Husaberg and Husqvarna. Fantastic bikes off road and used prices are quite good. I recently rode a friends Husqvarna TE450 ... cool bike. FAST! And FUN!

I rode my '01 DRZ400E all over the Mojave dessert and Baja. It was good ... but the KTM's and Huskies are JUST BETTER. The Suzuki wins on highway but off road ? No contest.
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:45 PM   #72476
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If you're riding with the KTM guys ... then I must say ... you should be on a KTM too. KTM four strokes of the last four or five years are a WHOLE generation ahead of the DRZ when it comes to competence off road. The Suzuki wins in the maintenance and reliability dept. but if you want to explore off road ... the KTM is far ahead.
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:38 PM   #72477
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thanks for the feedback. sounds like you love the hi/lo kit vrs the lo only kit.

so the hi/lo kit is wired back to the battery too in addition to tapping into the stock bulb plug.
while the lo kit just has 2 wires only tapping into the bulb plug. do I have that right?
or do both styles have power back to the battery for the ballast units?

if i add this, should i keep my relay and utilize it or eliminate it out of the electrical loop as it's not need and just extra parts?

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I don't plan to ride at night, but it happens from time to time.

I'd estimate the 35 w HID to double the light output of the previous +80% H4 fitted, with about double the depth and noticably more spread. Remember its somewhere between a square and cube function. Depends a bit on the reflector design. Twice the light output doesn't equal twice the range. The HID works OK in the DR and the low beam cutoff works good so no issues with blinding oncoming traffic.



The LEDs I have don't offer a lot of depth, the HID does that, but they noticably improve the spread. Tucked in and up, mounted to the barkbusters, they are out of the way and not too vulnerable.

Get a dipping HID, you'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner.
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What kind of grips did you put on? On / off or many positions? The grips that is.

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Oxford tend to be very popular as their designs are robust. The supply cable to grip interface is well built (then compare Hot Grips in this same area) and the control module is proven.
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some use under-your-own-grip-choice heating element. these are harder to put on and the wire attachment can fail but you get to choose your own grip vrs the pre-molded oxford.

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I think for most EFI would defeat the purpose of why most bought the simple DR.
i'm not sure about that. seems people start with a base-stock bike like the DR as it's stock form is older tech but very solid and reliable. then plenty add pumper carbs (... & $1000s of other mods) to further increase fueling on the DR. haven't seen people afraid to spend a good bit of $ on DR mods. i'm sure Jeff @ PC will attest to this spending. heavily moded bikes become less than simple.

modern FI components can work dead reliably and be found on "simple" bikes like the XT250 and the TU250. a properly tuned FI on a bike can be a mostly set it and forget thing and provide proper fueling at every elevation. except for the occasional FI body sync (you'd do this with carbs too) 650 Vstroms run day in day out on FI. we've all been driving FI cars forever and not worrying about if the FI will crap out.

that being said I think there are plenty to would love to have all the FI advantages and still have that same reliable base-stock DR bike under them.
MXRob has proven FI can work extremely well on a DR. If there was a 5 to 6 bill true PnP bolt on kit people would buy it.

read the reports. everyone with a TR650 or a WR250R or a CRF250L or a 500EXC is never looking to go backwards to a carb...nor are the MX guys racing on the track. They've fully embraced it because yes it works.

If Suzuki re-released the DR with FI (like Yamaha did with XT250) i'd upgrade.
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I don't know about where you are, but in New York State, I need the high beam to pass the yearly safety inspection. You could just replace the bulb for that day, but why have to do more work than you need.
i live (my address is atleast where i get my mail @ my PO box) in the land of the ultimate bike freedom...western slope colorado.

where we can tag any motorcycle and have no bike inspections what so ever.
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