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Old 02-21-2013, 12:39 PM   #73951
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Looks like I missed that.

Doubt I'll find it in all these pages, lol.
http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/Ha...r-Measurements
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:42 PM   #73952
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Here you go:

Width: 32.04"
Height: 3.11"
Pull Back: 2.32"

Renthal's RM Bend is an exact match. I believe it was $60 when I bought it from Rocky Mtn. ATV (part #: 1059960086 - silver). I also have 1" risers and am using stock cables.
Here is a reply I got from Bronco when I asked the stock dimensions question.

I have Renthals on my bike and was wondering how different they were from stock.
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:44 PM   #73953
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Lots of elements affect ergonomics on a bike. Bar rise and sweep are certainly important elements ... but seat height? peg height? Lever position? reach to bars? is bar rotated forward or back?... and your posture? all have an affect. Even then ... everyone perceives all this a bit differently. Quite a subjective area.

One nice thing about a riser like the ROX system ($$$) is it allows fore and aft adjustment and of course you can rotate the bars forward and back as well. This allows a wide variety of riding positions.

Changing peg height is another element ... and building up or lowering seat is another option that can affect ergonomics.

Some bikes feel great sitting on them in the showroom. But the real test is getting out on the highway for some long rides, and going through some nice twisties to see if the bike is balanced and neutral handling. Where ... and HOW you sit on the bike can affect handling and feedback.
While subjective, this still goes into areas of muddiness that is the same reply each time.

2008-to-present KLR-650-like fit. I've ridden a stock one, and came away impressed. Anything closer to it will be fine. It doesn't need to get any muddier than eakins' answer unless someone was asking open-ended comfort questions.

At least he gave me a route to take, I can alter it from there.

While I understand the added adjustment of those risers, bars of the correct height seem lighter and the simple option. It's not as if the DR650 is too big or small of a bike for most people, so correcting it all with sweep, bar rotation, and such doesn't seem to be a path I'd even need to consider.
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:48 PM   #73954
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2008-to-present KLR-650-like fit. I've ridden a stock one, and came away impressed. Anything closer to it will be fine.
While I understand the added adjustment of those risers, bars of the correct height seem lighter and the simple option. It's not as if the DR650 is too big or small of a bike for most people, so correcting it all with sweep, bar rotation, and such doesn't seem to be a path I'd even need to consider.
Play with this tool

http://cycle-ergo.com/

you can compare bikes. Get the KLR and then see what you have to do to the DR to make the position similar.

To change knee angle you must use seat height, but in reality, you could lower the pegs.

once you have the two bikes selected, use the mouse-wheel to morph between the 2.
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:29 PM   #73955
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I hear ya.

When i had my KLR, my buddy bought a DR and I thought wow everything is a better build quality on the DR, easier valves to adjust, simpler oil cooling, dual plugs, better brakes & suspension and is lighter for the dirt roads.

I sold my KLR and bought a DR, but sorely missed those comfortable ergos of the KLR, big tank, screen and rear rack. I then proceeded to get all that back with my DR. You have to be an ex-klr owner to understand.

the left grip is properly glued in place like you would do with any grip.
it does not move. if you want that klr feel then i'd stick with the PT bar.
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...andlebars.aspx
I'm like PT as they've proven strong, when i've dumped bikes. Not a far of saving a few $ on bars, just to have them bend, as it's alot of work to swap out bars. Rather just pay more for PT and not have them bend.


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Perfect !

Thanks, and it's great to hear from someone who knows just what I'm looking for, and talking about, with the KLR. The last time I brought this up someone suggested I just go buy a KLR... , and I had some other suggestions, but ... no-one knew what I was talking about with the ergonomics of the KLR.

I just cross-referenced the bars, and the Fly Racing (inexpensive... and hopefully OK for the job?) ATV bend from http://flyracing.s3.amazonaws.com/si...ar%20chart.pdf seems to most closely match your ProTaper (http://www.protaper.com/products/handlebars/se) bars.

ProTaper ATV MID:
813 width,
150 height,
93 mid-rise,
237 bottom/base width,
76-degree sweep,
206 grip

vs.

Fly ATV : 730 width, 150 height, 116 mid-rise, ? base, 71 degree sweep, ? grip

... but perhaps not close enough? Like you, I wouldn't mind narrower bars, but like you I could move my grips in a bit to make the bars narrower...

Can I see a close-up picture of the ends of your bars - did you use a spacer of some sort against the grip, or how do you keep your left grip from sliding to the end of the bar?
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:34 PM   #73956
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So did you actually take the clutch plates out already? No need to remove the big nut to determine if the clutch is toast.

Did you previously do the NSU screw fix? Are both NSU screws still present?

I would drain the oil and see if any surprises drain out with the oil.

Good luck,

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Hey all,

I have a major issue with my DR. Yesterday as I was down shifting to stop at a light, there was a clunking noise going from 2nd to 1st. When the light turned, the bike wouldn't move. I got it into neutral and pushed it to to the nearest sidewalk. I thought at first that I had thrown the chain, but when I opened the front sprocket cover, I found that the chain was still in place. Uh oh...this isn't good. I ended up calling for a ride and when I got home I started to disassemble things starting at the gear shift mechinasim. Everything there looked good so I moved over to pulling off the right side cover where the clutch is. Everything looked good with the clutch plates but I haven't actually checked tolerances yet. I had to stop when I got to the the large nut on the clutch hub. I believe it is 26mm but wasn't able to confirm as I don't have a socket that big and I couldn't get my wrench in there to test for size.

I'm starting to get nervious that the problem may be in the transmission itself but am not really sure how to troubleshoot any further. I'm not sure what my next step should be. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I already think I'm in a bit over my head.

It's an 09 with 15k miles.

Thanks,

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Old 02-21-2013, 01:35 PM   #73957
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Play with this tool

http://cycle-ergo.com/

you can compare bikes. Get the KLR and then see what you have to do to the DR to make the position similar.

To change knee angle you must use seat height, but in reality, you could lower the pegs.

once you have the two bikes selected, use the mouse-wheel to morph between the 2.
That's what I used somewhat to determine what parts I needed to add.

I added the PT ATV mids day 1 to my DR as I know from experience that is a real comfortable upright bar. I wanted to match that from the KLR. The Pro Cycle lowering pegs came later when I realized I had more knee bend than I wanted plus I wanted to lean over less when standing. Adding a firmer upgrade seat helping a ton too from squishing down into stock Suzuki and bending my knees even more.
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:41 PM   #73958
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Lots of elements affect ergonomics on a bike. Bar rise and sweep are certainly important elements ... but seat height? peg height? Lever position? reach to bars? is bar rotated forward or back?... and your posture? all have an affect. Even then ... everyone perceives all this a bit differently. Quite a subjective area.

One nice thing about a riser like the ROX system ($$$) is it allows fore and aft adjustment and of course you can rotate the bars forward and back as well. This allows a wide variety of riding positions.

Changing peg height is another element ... and building up or lowering seat is another option that can affect ergonomics.

Some bikes feel great sitting on them in the showroom. But the real test is getting out on the highway for some long rides, and going through some nice twisties to see if the bike is balanced and neutral handling. Where ... and HOW you sit on the bike can affect handling and feedback.
I'd say that 2" Rox and a CR Hi would also make a comfortable and adjustable bar package for most (although pricier than bars alone). I was responding to the angle he wanted KLR ergos and I have 1st hand knowledge of that and the proper bars to match an oem KLR bar
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:43 PM   #73959
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As a side note, I once dumped the bike on the right side hard and after I picked it and myself up, the bike would not shift or come out of gear. To fix it, I just took the clutch apart (just the plates) put it back together and it was good to go.

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Hey all,

I have a major issue with my DR. Yesterday as I was down shifting to stop at a light, there was a clunking noise going from 2nd to 1st. When the light turned, the bike wouldn't move. I got it into neutral and pushed it to to the nearest sidewalk. I thought at first that I had thrown the chain, but when I opened the front sprocket cover, I found that the chain was still in place. Uh oh...this isn't good. I ended up calling for a ride and when I got home I started to disassemble things starting at the gear shift mechinasim. Everything there looked good so I moved over to pulling off the right side cover where the clutch is. Everything looked good with the clutch plates but I haven't actually checked tolerances yet. I had to stop when I got to the the large nut on the clutch hub. I believe it is 26mm but wasn't able to confirm as I don't have a socket that big and I couldn't get my wrench in there to test for size.

I'm starting to get nervious that the problem may be in the transmission itself but am not really sure how to troubleshoot any further. I'm not sure what my next step should be. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I already think I'm in a bit over my head.

It's an 09 with 15k miles.

Thanks,

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Good one! I'll send that on to a couple friends.


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Old 02-21-2013, 02:10 PM   #73961
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Lucas; what ever are you talking about??

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Old 02-21-2013, 02:37 PM   #73962
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The FIX

I had the misfortune of helping my friend work on his 1974 Triumph TR6 sports car. Always something with the electrics. Wish we had some of that back then.
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Old 02-21-2013, 02:58 PM   #73963
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Chain Tool?

I was wondering how many folks carry some sort of chain tool, breaker/press on their DR for trail side repairs? I'm thinking of getting something and would appreciate any advice on this matter.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:02 PM   #73964
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I was wondering how many folks carry some sort of chain tool, breaker/press on their DR for trail side repairs? I'm thinking of getting something and would appreciate any advice on this matter.
Thanks all

I have been carrying this style since the '70s.



I also now(with the advent of press fit M/L) drill out the plate of the spare masterlink so it is slip fit, like back in the '70's.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:11 PM   #73965
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I have been carrying this style since the '70s. (pic) ... I also now(with the advent of press fit M/L) drill out the plate of the spare masterlink so it is slip fit, like back in the '70's.
I recently bought a Motion Pro PBR press tool kit for inclusion on the DR for out of state trips. Dead weight, yes, but I'll admit I'm relatively newish to chains - my last chain driven bike was a CBR1100xx and I didn't take that thing on long trips.

Can you elaborate a little on what you mean by this? Do you then mount it like a clip and wire it?

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