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Old 03-25-2013, 02:34 PM   #75136
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Unless someone did a really strange retrofit, your FCR41 has a cold start enrichment circuit.

A choke is closed when an engine is cold and opened when it is warm, whereas a fuel enrichment circuit is opened when the engine is cold and closed when it is warm. A choke works by restricting the air flow, whereas an enrichment circuit works by adding extra fuel. A choke requires a fast idle cam or something akin to it (or you have to hold the throttle open manually), whereas an enrichment circuit adds a little extra air simultaneously with the extra fuel, so the fast idle is already built in.

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How many times do you feel it necessary to point this out.

All adjustable wrenches aren't Cresent wrenches, but if someone says "Cresent wrench" everyone knows what they are talking about.

Same with Allen wrenches.

The little picture on the handlebars of the DR650 shows an image that is unmistakeable that a true choke resides in our carburetors.



Maybe that's where the confusion originates. I'm sure when someone pulls that carb apart, a lightbulb goes on and they will come to realize the reality.

Let's just all agree that when someone says the choke on their DR, they mean the system used for coldstarting the bike.

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Old 03-25-2013, 02:48 PM   #75137
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How many times do you feel it necessary to point this out?

Until we choke on it ?
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:50 PM   #75138
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All adjustable wrenches aren't Cresent wrenches, but if someone says "Cresent wrench" everyone knows what they are talking about.

Same with Allen wrenches.
"Crescent" and "Allen" are brand names, and do not imply that the items referred to operate in a manner opposite to how they do in reality. Therefore your analogy is invalid.

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The little picture on the handlebars of the DR650 shows an image that is unmistakeable that a true choke resides in our carburetors.



Maybe that's where the confusion originates.
It must at least be a contributor.
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I'm sure when someone pulls that carb apart, a lightbulb goes on and they will come to realize the reality.
It won't hurt to realize it sooner.
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Let's just all agree that when someone says the choke on their DR, they mean the system used for coldstarting the bike.
If meanings are continually perverted, then language eventually becomes such that no one can any longer be sure what others are really talking about at any given time. There are many examples of this in common usage, and I'm against every single one.

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Old 03-25-2013, 03:05 PM   #75139
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I am going to but a set or torque wrenches: One for inch/pounds and one for foot pounds. The foot/pounds wrench is going is for 3/8" sockets, and with the inch/pound wrench I have a choice of 1/4"and 3/8".

What size you all recommend for the inch/pound wrench?

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Some advice: be gentle with the kickstand (don't sit on the bike and rock when the kickstand is holding the bike up) or its mount will bend and the kickstand will grind into the swingarm.
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:13 PM   #75140
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It must at least be a contributor.It won't hurt to realize it sooner.If meanings are continually perverted, then language eventually becomes such that no one can any longer be sure what others are really talking about at any given time. There are many examples of this in common usage, and I'm against every single one.

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Old 03-25-2013, 03:18 PM   #75141
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I looked up the price of a choke for the FCR in my Outlaw 525 and it was $100!!! So if that's the case off of all the variations of the FCR, maybe I can find another bike or something where I can get the thing cheaper.
The cold start enrichment plunger and knob assembly lists at $27.39 ea. for an FCR and at $34.27 ea. for the FCRMX. I'm told that the assemblies for OEM are different. From Honda, they're ~$26.00. From Kawasaki, they're ~$28.00. From Suzuki it looks like they're around $25.00. From Yamaha, ~$22.00-31.00.

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Old 03-25-2013, 03:19 PM   #75142
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This is getting too much again ,I guess a Sunkist really isn't a orange it just a Sunkist,nap time:
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:20 PM   #75143
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I have to admire your persistence.
you've gotta be in the minority
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:35 PM   #75144
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The cold start enrichment plunger and knob assembly lists at $27.39 ea. for an FCR and at $34.27 ea. for the FCRMX. I'm told that the assemblies for OEM are different. From Honda, they're ~$26.00. From Kawasaki, they're ~$28.00. From Suzuki it looks like they're around $25.00. From Yamaha, ~$22.00-31.00.

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I disagree with a lot you have to say, but I kept my mouth shut, but this tops it. Do you really dyno bikes? Have you ever tuned a bike with an FCR on it?
Just about every bike I have ever been around with an FCR had a choke on it. My stock WR had a choke on it, and my DR with an FCR has a choke on it.

Added: I am sure you are going to chime in about the technical difference between a choke and an enricher circuit, but for the average person they are they same in the way they work to warm a cold bike up.
Pedant. 'nuff said.
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:52 PM   #75145
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Pedant. 'nuff said.
Yeah reminds me of the PhD students who know everything and need to let everyone know they know it all. But when it comes time to tie their shoes they prefer slip-on or velcro.
Oh wait let me say this correctly, hook and loop fasteners, since Velcro is a brand-name and I might offend someone by calling it velcro when it is another brands version.
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Old 03-25-2013, 04:07 PM   #75146
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I prefer use the use of correct terminology, in the hopes it will become common terminology.
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Old 03-25-2013, 04:39 PM   #75147
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I prefer use the use of correct terminology, in the hopes it will become common terminology.

I guess grammar comes second.




















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Old 03-25-2013, 04:44 PM   #75148
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I am going to but a set or torque wrenches: One for inch/pounds and one for foot pounds. The foot/pounds wrench is going is for 3/8" sockets, and with the inch/pound wrench I have a choice of 1/4"and 3/8".

What size you all recommend for the inch/pound wrench?

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Depends on what you have for sockets. Most bolts that require inch pound are small and often need a small socket to get to. My inch/lb has 1/4 drive- but I have a whole drawer of 1/4 drive stuff.

If you don't have a lot of 1/4 drive sockets I say get the 3/8 so you don't have to buy sockets as well. Unless you just need an excuse to buy tools- which I never seem to.
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Old 03-25-2013, 04:47 PM   #75149
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I prefer use the use of correct terminology, in the hopes it will become common terminology.
That's a laudable thing to strive for. I believe people should say what they mean. But some misnomers creep in and become embedded in the lexicon, ya know? Given the, uh, "seasoned" age of many DR650SE riders , it's likely the use of "incorrect" or "inprecise" terminology isn't going away.

The cold start enrichener lever on my fuel injected BMW K75 says CHOKE . If that misnomer is acceptable to BMW, I feel everybody should be ok with it.
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:27 PM   #75150
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I prefer use the use of correct terminology, in the hopes it will become common terminology.
QFT

I like that ADVrider generally has more intelligent/learned/wise postings than other bike forums. The lack of understanding common amongst a certain large thumper-based forum make thats place a waste of time mostly IMHO.

I like Motolab's contributions to this thread and forum, but one needs to take his tone for what it is. Dude is trying to give absolutely correct information, and I think that's a good thing in a world and industry that's always been full of snake oil, butt dynos, the "factory look" and bro-speak.

But on the other hand, I was an English major who was recently laughed at by coworkers for using the term "petcock."
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